i do feel sorry for the people that enjoyed mixing pvp and pve - however i personally welcome this change
Thank god. Felt horrible being behind in raid gearing because the folks who PVP had an endless loot pinata
Why are people whining so much about this: We will still be as powerful as always in PvP, but it'll just be less powerful in non-pvp content. That's fair and okay. Quit getting salty about everything like always.
Take note of the PvPers complaining about this and just remember it the next time they go on about how it was unfair to be getting stomped by overpowered PvE gear.
So without changes to pve gearing - pve gear will often be the best source of gear if you aren't hitting the high rating. pve sourced gear would need to lose iL in PVP for this change to have parity.Ultimately, this doesn't really effect me, I m+ and pvp. I'd raid too if I had time and no kids.But as it stands, if you can only get to 1800 (not a bad rating at all), you'll get better pvp gear from pve. Probably good enough that the gear disparity gets you a few hundred rating lol
This is going to make pvp participation crash. From a generally pve'er point of view I pushed to 1900 to get the transmog (was going to anyway) but the gear was fantastic - it abled me to make a 'meaningful choice' and avoid mythic+ content like the plague. I suspect I'll end up mainly back in pve content which is a shame - I remember in BFA there'd be like... 2 rated BG groups looking in the evening not the dozens you see now. I suspect this is coming back.It's also a kind of shame that pve and pvp are so unconnected. I like doing both. I like getting gear the way I want to and using it how I wish. Alas.
Bring back WoD pvp gearing system PLEASE.
Once again a "PvP change" that has absolutely nothing to with PvP players' wants or needs. This does not solve a single PvP issue and the only reason for it's existence and only people that will applaud it are PvE bads that don't want to enter PvP.People should be rewarded for participation in multiple types of content, and if you want to be a big boy and be ahead of the curve with item level EARLY in the season, doing all types of content is and should be the way. PvP gear has never been the BEST in PvE, and contrary to the circlejerk neither is it "easy to obtain" at a high item level. 1800 rating is 90th percentile, yet people act as if everyone is somehow running around in "free" 226 items. Nor is it faster. If you are not taking PvP vault items the most you can get is one item per week, sometimes none.Why must PvP players always get the short stick by now once again being punished in ALL other content by having their gear downgraded?Why should someone that is really good at PvP not be able to take their Elite PvP gear into dungeons and enjoy that content as well? Why must that gear be downgraded in Torghast? Why shouldn't a fully geared Gladiator be able to easily pull 20 mobs in the Maw once they are fully geared? In all of these scenarios having gear obtained from PvE is still going to be better, but at least the main stat, stamina and itemlevel is the same and you don't feel gimped.All around horrible change that i surely hope stays unimplemented.
I seriously hope the ilvl on this datamined piece is for S1 ilvls. Like the 2100 rating pvp gear should be better than mythic raid gear in PvP instances and warmode, while being around heroic gear ilvl in PvE instances and out of warmode open world. Otherwise there is literally zero use for PvP gear, and to be competitive in PvP you would HAVE to mythic raid. Right now in S1 mythic raiding is a slight edge in competitive PvP, but it is not a mandatory requirement like in BFA. If we return to BFA in terms of PvP gearing being completely meaningless, I can see 95% of PvPers just quitting on the spot.
Thank god. Separate the two game modes. If you want to PvP you should never have to do PvE. If you want to PvE you should only have to do PvE. If you want to do both, do both with different gearing systems.
Wondering how they will adress pve/pvp ilvl in the LFG queue. Maybe they could revamp (massively improve) LFG entirely, a girl can dream.
i am glad that they did this change but i would favor pvp power on it or resilence
They should do like WoD where there was only 3 iLevel tiers: Aspirant (basic), Combatant (honor), Gladiator (conquest). Things like Challenger, Rival and Duelist should just be about mounts, titles, and tabards. Elite would just be the prestige recolor for xmog.
Good. But small. Need 19-20 ilvl for fully divide stupid attempts to gearing up in PvP for PvE