yeah lets also not forget that for 25000 years draenei were always on the run, and it only ended in two occasions:au draenor and mu azeroth were we won and in the case of azeroth the new war of alliance and horde didnt let this sink on their minds yetif i go full sylvanas fanboy right now i will dare to say that the alliance owes our dark lady for saving them from going the fundamentalist pathimagine the theocratic war between tyrande/cenarion circle/earthen ring and velen/the light churchoh *!@#, we (the horde) lost the opportunity to recruit tyrande and form the supreme elven empire
The story proposed here, while possessing some neat seeds to explore and expand on, is executed terribly. But let's get to the real issue here...If the Light is such a terrible, oppressive force to these Mag'har... then wtf can they become Priests in BFA? This truly /boggles the mind.
Very much dislike this whole concept. Throwing the draenai into the Suddenly Bad Guy position after their expansion is over and we won't see it firsthand through leveling content is such a cheesy choice. We had a whole expansion and several questing zones to build up our character's relationship with Yrel. I doubt they're going to convincingly write her turning bad through a handful of quests in an allied race scenario.
As someone who really liked Yrel...I'm kinda into this? I'm really digging the role reversal in AU Draenor and how the Draenei there now seem to be following the light a la Xe'ra.The Lightforged we have really seem kinda dull, not gonna lie, but if in a couple of patches we get Yrel coming over to our universe, with her army and her "evangelism" oh sweet baby jesus now THAT would be a really good role reversal of the usual Horde/Alliance dynamics.I like the idea of the LF as light fanatics -not outright evil, but very selfrighteous- but with Xe'ra dead even before they got playable they lost a lot of that appeal. Bringing Yrel into that mix with a new mission for them -spread the light through all of Azeroth- I'd really love that.Shame that AU Draenor seems to be a lot more interesting now than during WoD tho
Reading the bullet points above all the text made me just want to experience it all for myself.It just seems... really interestingHopefully it's added in later that something super crazy happened to cause this 180; but we'll see.
Oh boy, more idiots following the Light far too deeply... Hope the final version will have a bit more detail to it, maybe some more background on how this slowly came to be.But either way, I'll look forward to assist our new Allies in taking out a few of them.
I'm not even going to bother anymore, this is the most ridiculous thing I have EVER seen them do, and I usually try to defend some of the new lore, but this one got out of hand. These kind of things should best be left to the Nexus on Heroes of the Storm.Its silly of how they're trying to portray the Holy Light. Remember when the Light was a benevolent force which flowed through the Cosmos, being the source of Life? Binding all living beings together as one?
I like this, I like it because it's so bad it's actually funny, the datamined text gave me a good laugh.
Wow, this is some middle school "being contrary just to be contrary" type of drivel they're writing. I know they've done it before, but it doesn't make it better now.The Light does not corrupt. The Light is neither good nor evil; it is a primal force. The source of all life in the universe. But it does not corrupt.Arthas was corrupted by the Dreadlords of the Legion and the Lich Kings manipulations. The Scarlet Crusade was corrupted by the Dreadlords. The Eredar were corrupted by Sargeras. The Light corrupted no one.And about Illidan not wanting to sacrifice himself for the greater good, well, he's just not about sacrificing everything, that's not his bag, baby. The thing is... was Xe'ra really trying to force him to become lightforged? Or did she know he was the only one capable of destroying her while still having her remains available to be used in the Nether Crucible, because she knew that was the only way the heroes would be able to defeat Argus and save Azeroth? We don't know. But the Light did not corrupt her. If Blizzard changes that, then I guess we'll all watch the Fonz jump that shark on his motorcycle together, won't we?
I like the idea of the Light being portrayed as dubious. I had my theories that the Light can't be perfectly good on principle ever since the Burning Crusade. And I always hoped that maybe one day we will get an expansion themed around a fight against a fanatical paladins and light worshipers. Something like the Scarlet Crusade, only upped to the eleven. Can you imagine both the visuals and story possibilities for such a conflict? The final dungeons and raids wouldn't be themed around evil dark powers with skulking demons, but they would be Light infused white castles with majestic crusaders. And it would provide an interesting story about how the good intention becomes completely evil once the adherents of the Light learn to worship its authority without a question and throw away all their morals and empathy if the Light so commands. And it would show the danger of forcing a belief on others at all costs. It would show that this kind of sentiment leads to the exactly same place where all the dark powers lead. Because in order to achieve this goal with force, the hierarchy of a society that operates on this authoritarian dogma begins to be filled with merciless people who's only quality is obeying orders... and later enjoying the suffering of others. And they still feel righteous because they just imagine their enemies deserve it.But that being said... this story doesn't amuse me. They wasted this concept into one a spin-off quest that you will complete once on your account (and only for those who play the Horde). This entire story also happens in a parallel universe that we will likely never revisit again. And even if we do, the time travel aspect to the whole Draenor idea just butchers any possible good storytelling.And more importantly, just like the other comments said, this invalidates anything that happened in WoD story completely. What's the purpose of stories if they are not meant to have a continuity, logic or reason behind them? Why stuff just happens and that's the end of it? Something happens just for the sake of it, and then we can just forget it and even write the story in a way that completely contradicts our previous narrative.Grommash in the alternative timeline goes from being straight evil and antagonist to the player to being the savior of Draenor and a friend to the player without any explanation. And how does he achieve that? By allying with Yrel for no reason - a character who is so unquestionably good that being her friend cleanses Grom from all the evil acts he did. And now, Yrel turns evil for no reason, and Grom stays good by opposing her... This just blows my mind on so many levels.There was no hint of Yrel ever being anything else than an extremely nice person who would do anything for her friends and allies and would always sacrifice herself selflessly if it helped the cause. And for that, she'd ally herself with Durotan. Now she turns into evil dictator and kills Durotan (or makes her men to kill him). Was there any hint that she had a questionable character that would explain this? I had the impression they tried to portray her as perfectly virtuous. This just scream bull^&*!. Apparently, they just used her character because she was a thing, and they wanted the players to remember a thing by making a reference to a thing they knew.Just because you have interesting ideas doesn't mean you can do anything with them and think they will work. Why do we even have stories if they are not meant to make sense? What's next? Anduin becomes a Warlock bent on the Azeroth's destruction just to satisfy his sadistic pleasures? Great idea, isn't it? Why not do it? Who cares about continuity and character development? Or a common sense? Makes no difference anyway, right?Yeah, and now we will have a new faction of Orcs that is apparently defined by their defiance of having an alien culture forced upon them... and now they will be forced to unconditionally serve the undead queen and made to participate in events involving dishonorable acts and rising the dead. Their racial "ancestors call" will be very fitting to use while they are forced to slay their kin and raise watch them to be raised as undead slaves to some banshee they have basically no ties to. Maybe they should call their ancestors just so Sylvanas can turn them into banshees and use them against the Alliance. I mean, it's a pragmatic thing to do, right?EDIT:Now I read that AU Draenor's apparently progressed by... 35 years since the end of WoD?I mean, this time frame could explain all the inconsistencies. A lot can happen in 35 years.But it makes no sense to me that the time progresses this differently there. If the AU's timeline is akin to the past main Azeroth timeline when the WoD begins, it implies that the time in AU Draenor actually passes slower, not quicker.And if for some reason the time actually passes in AU Draenor quicker, but was just shifted backwards so it was only at the rise of the Horde when we arrived there... wouldn't that mean that since we players spent an entire expansion there, that we returned to Azeroth literal decades from our departure? Or did WoD happen only in span of days so in the main timeline, only a year or so passed?
Isn't AU Draenor now 30/35 years on from when we were there?I don't see this "sudden shift" being all that sudden when viewed through that lense.
Blizzard Story board getting lazy in it's old days?
Yrel being evil makes sense... the Light is just as bad as the Void. Both want to dominate, to wipe out the other, to rule the universe.It is both the Light and the Shadow that can blind you if either of them exist in absolute.
So they are pulling a story similar to the catholic Inquisitions. The religious people in a land not originally theirs considered "civilized" trying to "help" the locals get rid of their "savagery" by sharing their belief system through force. Very interesting. And they are starting to show how the the light when followed in a fanatical manner can be oppressive. Granted they already did "the light can be used for evil means" with the scarlet crusade but this time it is the naaru showing their true intentions of propagating their control at all costs influencing through fanaticism
Damn,all that money Blizzard milk from us,and this is all you can muster? lulMEGA LUL
Well, I actually like that.We beat the Legion in MU, which must've had an effect on AU (since the Legion's armies are supposed to not be bound to one universe).So (and I'm going freestyle, there) we can imagine that the Xenedar of AU came to Draenor.There wouldn't be a Turalyon in the AU Xenedar, but there would definitely be an AU X'era.So they make contact with Yrel, who doesn't have the knowledge AU Velen had, which would've made her easy to convert into a mind-warped fanatic of the Light.What happens after seems to work for me.So yes, I agree with the point someone made that before 7.3, we NEVER heard that the Naarus could try to forcefully convert people.But maybe only X'era can do this? Maybe she's the only one who thinks it's necessary to do it by force? We don't have the full story, there.In a way, thematically, Mag'har orcs are the counterpart to Void-elves, because they're both allied races that had a brush with the extremes of either the Void or the Light.Point is, the Horde now knows for sure that the Naarus can start a Light-Crusade. This is interesting, and they can use that later to tell MU Naarus "we've seen what your light can do, we don't want that".Who knows, maybe one day, we'll learn that while we were having fun with Mag'har orcs on MU, the Mag'har orcs on AU got rekt by the Lightbound and they're now all coming through some portal to attack us on MU.WARLORDS OF DRAENOR 2. XD