Valeera and Calia Menethil Dialogue in the Shadowlands Pre-Patch

PTR Posted 2020/09/08 at 8:19 PM by perculia

Valeera: Lady Menethil, may I ask if... oh, forgive me. Should I refer to you as princess, or are you now a queen?
Calia: Lady Menethil is fine. Calia is even better. I gave up my claim to the throne long ago.
Valeera: Understood. King Anduin has spoken highly of you, and I know he bears guilt over what befell you in the Arathi Highlands.
Calia: The king is a good man. I do not blame him for what happened. All the guilt lies with Sylvanas Windrunner.
Valeera: We have much in common, I think. Both caught between two worlds, belonging fully to neither. Yet being able to move between them offers certain advantages.
Calia: I thought to be a bridge between the living and the undead. My first attempt ended in sorrow. But I have not given up hope, Lady Sanguinar.
Valeera: I am most pleased to hear that. But please, I am no lady. My friends call me Valeera, Lady Menethil. Excuse me... Calia.

pre-patch dialogueShadowlands

When I worked with King Wrynn to arrange a meeting between the living and the undead in Arathi, I thought I understood the Forsaken. Only too late did I realize how little I knew.
But after being raised into undead myself, I have begun to see the depths of what they have endured. With the help of Lilian Voss, I have found ways to aid those who feel abandoned and alone.
Right now, the whole world trembles beneath the specter of death. And fear, left unchecked, will consume every soul it touches.
I cannot allow that to happen. Not to the people of Lordaeron, nor to any who fight for the good of Azeroth.

The war taught me many lessons. Who I could trust... and who I could not.
Through her actions, Sylvanas has proven that she doesn't care about the Forsaken's fate. But we have endured too much to allow her betrayal to unravel what we have built.
<Lilian peers at you through narrow eyes.>
You think my words harsh, $p? Did you willfully do her bidding? Turn a blind eye upon her endless atrocities?
Windrunner chose her path--and her allies. We all did.
Once, I would have sought vengeance. Retribution. But now, I care only that the Forsaken have a future. And for that, we need the right leaders in place.
I will lend my voice to the Horde council and speak for my people. For a time, at least.

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Comment by AenwyrmAssuming her husband and daughter made it out of Southshore alive, and further assuming that they have survived up to this point, her daughter would have the most legitimate claim.

Assuming she's alive and well somewhere, of course...Comment by WasselinThis is a cute interaction, but is that Valeera's normal voice actor? Also, she doesn't seem like someone who would be that concerned with honorifics.Comment by UtigardeIt's weird that they walked back Calia blaming herself for Arathi in Before the Storm, that was pretty much her only moment of character clarity. Regardless though, glad to see they're confirming she has no intention of being queen, I just hope that extends to leadership of the Forsaken as a whole. She works better as a neutral character, given her intense ties to the Alliance.Comment by AtomicpumpkinIs this... Are they literally just going to plop the Horde council on the roof? God, this is lazier than dropping the embassy in the middle of the goblin lake. They really just don't give a crap about Org do they? lolComment by MaljinwoGet Valeera far far away from the HordeComment by SeradiAh yes. These two classic pillars of the Horde.Comment by ChunkyCoffeeIt's weird that they walked back Calia blaming herself for Arathi in Before the Storm, that was pretty much her only moment of character clarity. Regardless though, glad to see they're confirming she has no intention of being queen, I just hope that extends to leadership of the Forsaken as a whole. She works better as a neutral character, given her intense ties to the Alliance.Comment by Innuendo"We also learned in pre-patch dialogue that Lilian Voss acts as the Forsaken representative to the Horde Council, which should put to rest concerns that Calia would seize control of Lordaeron"

This is false. In the book, the Horde Council has two seats for the Forsaken: one for Voss and one for Calia. She is a representative for the Forsaken for no reason other than Blizzard needing a way to make the Forsaken Alliance Red like the rest of the Horde.Comment by Jimbrooksi love how Valeera goes immediately into stealth and slinks off with no prompt like an embarrassed child.

Weird interaction.Comment by Wasselini love how Valeera goes immediately into stealth and slinks off with no prompt like an embarrassed child.

Weird interaction.Comment by ValnirLilian is awesome. I wish she became the actual leader of the Forsaken, for as long as possible.Comment by ChunkyCoffee"We also learned in pre-patch dialogue that Lilian Voss acts as the Forsaken representative to the Horde Council, which should put to rest concerns that Calia would seize control of Lordaeron"

This is false. In the book, the Horde Council has two seats for the Forsaken: one for Voss and one for Calia. She is a representative for the Forsaken for no reason other than Blizzard needing a way to make the Forsaken Alliance Red like the rest of the Horde.Comment by DayonIt's weird that they walked back Calia blaming herself for Arathi in Before the Storm, that was pretty much her only moment of character clarity. Regardless though, glad to see they're confirming she has no intention of being queen, I just hope that extends to leadership of the Forsaken as a whole. She works better as a neutral character, given her intense ties to the Alliance.Comment by cgallivantWhat the heck is wrong with Valeera's voiceComment by Shadowlyger"Calia: The king is a good man. I do not blame him for what happened. All the guilt lies with Sylvanas Windrunner."

Bull@#$%.Comment by AesiriaI can't really grasp Valeera.

In WoW she seems to be pretty "weak"/meek and not dominant at all, but in Hearthstone I get the opposite impression; she sounds malicious and dominating. I know Hearthstone is not the real lore and kind of playing around with it, but still, I got used to that version of Valeera.Comment by RasaricTwo alliance characters talking about how the horde needs to be assimilated into the alliance would be a more accurate description.Comment by DarknessvampSeems like they're not stopping on rewriting the Before the Storm narrative. More and more dictator Calia seems likely. I fully expect "My people will love me for my understanding and elect me their new leader, denying my claim was only a step towards the Throne." before she runs the Forsaken into the ground as revenge for Southshore and establishes her LightRisen Tyranny. Boo.Comment by GreySage"Did you willfully do her bidding? Turn a blind eye upon her endless atrocities?"

You sure did Lillian. You actively and enthusiastically slaughtered innocents, raised souls at peace into the torture of undeath, desecrated tombs, and all the while blamed the Alliance because "they think I'm a monster", as she acts like a monster.

Honestly, Lillian is the worst character in the whole expansion after Sylvannas. Everyone else is trying to do what's right for their people, Lillian just wants to kill the people who were mean to her after she became a soulless homicidal maniac.Comment by Valkyrstudios"All the blame lies with Sylvanas Windrunner"
LADY YOU FREAKING STARTED A COUP!
WHY IS EVERY CHARACTER IN THE HORDE AND ALLIANCE SO FREAKING VILE NOW?

Can we have Nathanos back? He was funny and didn't leave such a bad taste in my mouth

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