Permanent Misdirection Bug Used for Plagueborer Snaps in The Great Push Mythic+ Tournament

Live Posted 2021/05/30 at 5:13 PM by Squishei

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Note: We tried to replicate snapping the Wretched Plagueborer on live servers without the permanent Misdirection bug and were unable to do so, trying to replicate the factors such as making sure to Feign Death and having the party being in combat. However, applying the permanent Misdirection bug causes the Wretched Plagueborer snap to work flawlessly.

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They detonate on a timer, compared to when their health gets low.
They wouldn't normally snap, as they do not global combat the entire group. If a Hunter would Feign Death, the Virulax Blightweaver would just reset as no one else is in combat with it.

How far the Wretched Plagueborer can run before they explode.
How far the Hunter or Rogue can travel before their Misdirection ability falls off their target and timing it with a Wretched Plagueborer spawn.

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Comment by JakeluloMoral of the story is Blizz suck at being devs for this bug to be in the game and also suck at upholding the rules they set in tournaments, just one big clown fiesta over there.Comment by PeachTimeFor the Echo haters out there drowning in salt, https://clips.twitch.tv/AffluentColdbloodedSageFutureMan-8-qrEbRNladdbPDN Maystine, which is part of the Echo team talking about the "exploit" and that they did talk to Blizzard about it before they did it to see if it's ok and they said yes.

Again, Echo did this for 5hrs yesterday until they got it right, if there was ever a problem, Blizz would've stopped them. On top of this, the strat that they were using was known to all the teams competing so it's not like Echo came up with it at the last second without anyone else knowing about it.Comment by ToranagaSAnThat is not some "clever use of game mechanics". That is just a straight up exploit that is very obvious. I mean manually removing a buff causing it to become permanent and then used during MDI to win actual cash from others? Like wtf.Comment by KondeyOk but are we forgetting that every team had a Blizzard admin with them at all times during the event? Bug or not, Blizzard knew about it and allowed it. If the other teams aren't as smart to use it to their advantage that's their issue. Ex-Method/Echo have always been about playing smart not hitting as hard and fast as they can.
Nevertheles... Not to be a edgelord, but I've always found exploits, bugs or whatever you want to call them, fun - whether it is something like discovering overlooked details and using them to your advantage or something like going to the famed GM island just to see what's there.

Tl;dr - Blizz knew about it; bugs can be fun.Comment by xxhzI don't agree with having differentiating qualifiers for what constitutes exploits on live vs tournament realms - they should aspire to have the same rulesets, principles, and punishments for both. One of the great things about watching wow esports is getting to try some of the neat tricks they pull off for yourself. It makes no sense that you could potentially get banned on live doing the same thing you saw a team do in a competition.

Blizzard immediately hot-fixed the cyclone plagueborer strategy which in my eyes was a really clever use of mechanics and should have been allowed, yet they decide the cancel MD bug is ok when that is pushing into exploit territory?

It's this inconsistency I have a problem with, not Echo using it (especially if they did get Blizz's blessing). If Blizz comes out and says certain buggy behaviours are OK to use, then don't be surprised when players try to do them in other areas too.Comment by AthiniraThey made Adaptive Swarms (Druid Necro buff) unremovable (you can't clickoff or cancel it by macro), because it had many "clever" usages. Same happend to Heimir 18% crit buff (at start you could had removed buff stacks to time it at right time you need, at start of big pull or sync it with burst) since 9.0.5 it's unremovable. So why not making unremovable MD, but it won't solve expire part of the bug.Blizzard immediately hot-fixed the cyclone plagueborer strategy which in my eyes was a really clever use of mechanics and should have been allowed, yet they decide the cancel MD bug is ok when that is pushing into exploit territory?Comment by KamillI don't think Echo should be disqualified of anything, since the bug/tactics wasn't exclusive to that one team, others could have used it to, but opted not to. If they didn't think of that, it's on them, as well as failing to ask GMs if that's permittable. That being said, I think it looks really bad on the whole, the plagueborer strategy is clearly something Blizz intentionally designed to use in the dungeon, but its sad to see that they obviously failed to properly balance/tune it. They nerfed max targets on the explosion, ppl found a way around it to have endless explosions with cyclocne/MC. They fixed that, but ppl found another loophole with Misdirect/Feign death. Its baffling to see ppl who designed the whole thing fail over and over in attempts to make it the way they wanted to.Comment by MeramiWell in the end this is a good example of "dont hate the players hate the game". This isn't the first time blizzard admins showing unprofessional and lazy behaviors, like come on, MC bug is still existing in PVP and it's already kinda a meme at this point.
Also.. for some of you guys, blizzard admins being ok with it does NOT change the fact that infinite MD is a bug and utilizing this bug to snap plagueborers is a exploit. Blizzard might be ok with it, doesn't change the fact that the action itself is not an exploit. I'm rooting for echo so please stop calling me a "salty NA fanboy", i mean that's the most ridiculous comment ever.Comment by kimohuntThe inconsistency is what annoys me - Blizz has handed out suspensions and bans for using buggy behaviour that was obviously not intended in the past (e.g. infinite Stygia farm), but seems they are OK with using a similar unintended bug here? Not a good precedent for them to be setting for the live game..Comment by sjaakwowOk but are we forgetting that every team had a Blizzard admin with them at all times during the event? Bug or not, Blizzard knew about it and allowed it.Comment by Kavercheaters actually won real money today, Bad precedent set by blizzard. This allows you to abuse bugs on a global scale at this point.Comment by ashblondRemovedComment by Altered

They would have won no matter what. Even with only 156 point they still had the overall best times. Echo is just better than the other teams.Comment by SoLoR1Still no one explained how if MD bug was actually used all the time, how literally (almost?) every run they had some mobs porting to maystine/gigi and not naowh/zaelia at domina... they litterally had issues with this (as far as i noticed) every run and almost wiped for this reason every run. Obviously its better to paddle your "theory", then challenge the question. Laterally stupid hit pice of an article...

edit: im not claiming if bug does actually exist they didnt used it, however this is irregularity that should be explained, if you think they actually used this "bug".Comment by AthiniraExcept Skyline would win because invalidating Echo's PF 28 would mean invalidating their PF 27, their PF 26, their PF 25...Comment by flyup

They would have won no matter what. Even with only 156 point they still had the overall best times. Echo is just better than the other teams.Comment by becskerexHaters gona hate..... Ez ClapComment by Speedylord0279RemovedComment by Certifiedto all the people that are crying about pulling mobs in the mists maze. this is also an exploit, true. but this is strictly for efficiency and the pride spawn. still an exploit, it doesn't make the dungeon easier tho.

problem with this MD exploit echo was using: in a competition where it's about pushing the highest keys, you can easily make the argument, that Echo wouldn't be able to complete the dungeon in time without that exploit. this is where the problem lies.

it's such a stupid argument to say "this is a competition about which team knows the mechanics the best" when they literally need to cheat to complete the dungeon, because i'm pretty sure this mechanic isn't intended.Comment by hyber123Removed

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