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Comment by Omnitar

Well, This just is simply the best healingmace ingame... Have fun with it :D

Comment by wladxq

incredible :O

Comment by Kandin

This mace is the legendary created mace from Ulduar.
It is created by small fragments that have a ~10% chance to drop from every boss in Ulduar (Heroic), and a 100% chance to drop off of Yogg-Saron (Heroic).
It requires 30 fragments to start the quest, which tells you to throw the mace at Yogg-Sarron and defeat him.
The mace can only obtained by healer classes (druids/paladins/priest/shamans).
This is the first legendary healer mace implemented into the game, besides the one in Tempest Keep, which is not permanent.

Comment by AKDarlor

Hunter weapon!

Comment by Reeve

Official explanation of the proc:

The way this works is that when the proc happens (which is a 10% chance whenever a hot or direct spell heals, with a 45 sec internal cooldown) you gain a buff (the Blessing) on yourself. Now all of your heals for the next 15 sec cause an 8 sec damage shield. The shield stacks with itself. It includes healing done by subsequent ticks of existing hots on the target. Note that the spell has to actually heal, so hots ticking on a fully-healed target cannot cause the proc. However the shield is based on the size of the heal itself, not the amount healed – i.e. 100% overhealing will not proc the Blessing on the healer, but the shield itself includes overhealing once the Blessing is active. The shield can grow to a maximum size of 20,000 damage absorbed.

Example 1: A paladin casts Holy Light for 10K on the tank, which partially heals her. The Blessing procs, so the paladin’s Holy Light immediately causes a shield on the tank which will now absorb 1500 damage. The tank dodges the next two hits, so no damage is absorbed. The paladin then casts another heal for 8K, but only heals the tank for 600 before she is at full health. The shield is now at 2700 damage absorbed (1500 + 1200) for 8 sec.

Example 2: A druid casts Rejuv on the tank, healing her. The Blessing procs on the druid on the second tick. A shield is applied to the tank which absorbs 15% of the amount healed by that tick and each remaining tick of the Rejuv. If the druid also gets Lifebloom and Regrowth on the tank while the Blessing is up, then those ticks also contribute to the shield. If the shield goes down because the 8 sec duration expires or it absorbs that much damage, it can go up again as long as the Blessing lasts, which is 15 sec.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16903512910&sid=1

Comment by Alunora

Check out the model by pressing View in 3D button in upper right corner. It shows the fully animation loop. Very cool, check it out!

Comment by Ferel

There is no stat for (direct) mana regeneration present on the weapon, but the other casting stats present (to say nothing of that 587 spellpower and the well-advertised shield effect) make up for this in my opinion. After all, each of the four healing classes rely on different mechanics for primary mana regen (Holy Paladins get 60% refund on crit-heals, etc.).

Consider that if you have gotten so far as to obtain this mace yourself, the rest of your gear probably more than makes up for your desired Mp5/Spirit.

Comment by Averroes

This is an excellent healing mace for all healing classes in a way.

Paladins direct heals, priests, shaman, and druids AoE heals giving everyone in the raid the buff. Looking forward seeing this mace in action!

Comment by Mupparn

the buff from aoe heals will be kinda useless tho, 15% of an aoe heals is not much, sure its better then nothing but with the dmg u take nowdays =/ a full duration for a pala tha have 20-25kish HL, u get a 20-25 k of worth shield, and thats if u spam HL, so sure for a few fights its a nice add but its way below what a legendary should add imo, especially since the pvp healing weapons have the same amount of healing and some mp5, getting 2200 rating is not a very hard job for a healer nowdays compared to gathering 30 shards from Ulduar.
just my 5 cent

Comment by Ferel

I'm willing to bet there will be debate on AoE shielding, perhaps even PvP, but seeing as the only other similar effects (to my knowledge) are a priest talent and a vanilla trinket, the effect is nothing to be scoffed at for main healers (which is who any decent guild would be helping to get this first, anyway).

any absorb effect on someone who is taking damage is a blessing, especially since warriors and bear-druids no longer have to complain about rage generation being affected by it. damage shields are, in effect, advance heals. if your heals give the target a shield, I'd call it a 2-way heal. they have less to worry about incoming damage, which of course is just a fancy way of saying they live longer.

/endannoyingboldtype

Comment by Leonm

The fact is, many many guilds are going to start getting fragments (and therefore need to choose who to give them to) long before the first one of these is assembled and available to see precisely how this proc actually works.

edit2 for clarity (thank you BortBort) Some of this is not official. However, until the first Val'anyr is crafted, educated theory is the best we have to go by. The intent here is to help your guild decide who to start pooling Val'anyr shards into.

Therefore, guilds need to decide based on the information currently available. What we know:
1) The proc gives a 15sec buff to the healer, which causes all heals to create a shield worth 15% of the amount healed on the targets you heal... rather than a chance of a single 15% shield on any heal.
2) It's also safe to assume that this is on a 45 second cooldown similar to most on-equip trinket effects... or if not, then another flat cooldown time.
3) Therefore the proc benefits the healer with the highest Healing per Second (HPS), rather than the healer with the biggest single heals.
4) Ghostcrawler posted that this will be beneficial to Druid healers, so unless it doesn't work as intended, it's probably safe to assume that ticks from HoTs create Val'anyr shields as well.
5) It's still possible there will be different versions of this with different stats for the different classes, but unknown. If there is not, the Val'anyr posted on this page is indeed itemized best for Paladins, but still very good for other classes.
6) Reliability, dedication, and skill are invariably some of the best attributes in a healer to be the most eligible for this. Reliability so that you know that healer will be there for every shard that drops, and dedication and skill so that your guild gets the most out of the hard work put into this item.
7) This one is more guesswork, but there's a significant chance that the sheilds from the Val'anyr on-equip will not stack. This would mean that the on-equip would partly go to waste if Val'anyr is wielded by a healer primarily healing one or 2 targets, as you could have shields over-writing eachother and going to waste. This could actually make a guild decide that this is not the best for a healer Paladin; however, a tank might easily have this shield already eaten through by the time the Paladin gets off his next heal, making this a non-problem. This is guesswork, but something some guilds may want to consider if they really want to figure out what class benefits most.

Conclusion: there are some factors that could in the long run weigh Val'anyr more in the benefit of one class or another of healer, but for now the best qualification is simply a reliable healer your guild can trust.

Edit: and it continues to be cool to down rate useful, concise posts, instead of ones like Nethris posted below this, which has no actual information about the item. This is what Wowhead is, right? The elite source of useful information on WoW items?

Comment by Ludrin

To shed some more light on the quest.

The player must obtain 30 shards of Val'anyr, then take them to something called the Archivum Console (Similar to a titan-like computer) where it will tell you the information about the maces power and what is required to activate it's true potential.

You then take the shattered fragments and throw them into Yogg-Saron's Brain!
and then when the big guy's down you can happily stroll over to his corpse and pick up your new legendary mace.

(this explaination is very loose as nobody has managed to gather the amount of shards required to start the quest)
Quoted from; http://valanyr.com/

Comment by Nethris

Im gonna have to say that <Insert class A> should be getting this because even though <Insert classes B, C and D> can use it as well, I think <Insert class A> will benefit more from using it. Oh and did I forgot to mention that my main is a <Insert class A>, not that it makes my opinion biased or anything.

Oh wait, wowhead, not thottbot...hurr.

TL;DR version: If you are getting this item, you already probably know it. If not, well, better luck next expansion!

Comment by Namaha

The stats (not talking about the proc here) are pretty underwhelming for a legendary. Looking at guiding star, you gain 6 int, 16 stamina, 47 crit, and 37 spell power at the cost of 15 mp5 and 3 haste. This doesn't seem like a whole lot for something that's 7 ilvls higher and is legendary as opposed to epic.

The proc looks like it has serious potential though, and if it does end up being amazing, then I am fine with calling this legendary.

Comment by Raqion

This is the first legendary healer mace implemented into the game.
The mace is only obtained by healer classes (druids/paladins/priest/shamans).

This Doesn't mean spec , does it? I'm thinking: its still possible to use this as an elemental shaman, right? :)

Comment by canazza

Apart from the lack of +hit and the on-heal proc, yes, it's perfect for elemental shaman..

As for druids, the proc isn't bad depending on how you spec/glyph (optimal would probably be, Glyph of healing touch and a HT + Regrowth + swiftmend rotation )
A druid that relies on HoT's is generally better at raid-healing and as such the raid will not be under such constant attack that it'll matter that they got a 2k damage shield when they're only going to take 200 damage in the time the shield is up, so the tiny shields that they'll get from any Lifebloom procs will be good enough - and if they are main healing a tank, then Regrowth/Nourish/Swiftmend will certainly proc a decently sized shield regardles of their glyphs

Comment by Razkazz

When i first saw this mace i tought it would have like 600-900 spell dmg sence it is an legendarry but, whne i saw the stats 587 spell dmg.. i got verry disepointed.. common it is the first legendarry for 80 can`t blizz be nicer?

Comment by Onitar

So when you throw the unfinished mace in Yogg-siron, say you wipe and everyone leaves because they're ^&*!ed, do you get it back or do you have to start over? Also in my opinion, Bizz should raise drop rate or make these boe, because this is how I have it: about 10 bosses in Ulduar (I'm just rounding to make estimate) with a 10% drop rate, so if your lucky, one will drop per raid. In a 10man, two or so healers so maybe once every other raid if your lucky, you'll get ONE fragment. Multiply that times 30, not including the end quest and bad luck and...Ninja Looters... DON DON DOOOON! *dramatic sound* so if you play WoW all the time and your addicted. It will take ATLEAST 15 or so weeks to get it, I know this sounds better, but including raid wipes, holidays, ninja looters and being in a 25MAN raid with more healers this can take up to a year or so to get it, which is around the time a new expansion will come out. It will be a lobor of love to get this, but when you do enjoy it.

But on the bright side: hard modes+heroic setting+ a really cool raid leader can shorten time by alot, I do not know if these drop off of new VoA boss but if they do that will shorten it greatly, a druid in Daggerspine already has four. So in conclusion: this isn't going to be a little game to get, you gota be determined to get it. This is going to be the new Atiesh staff. Except it's a mace.

Comment by Shjade

Solution: stop trying to PUG for a legendary weapon.

Yes, this is the new Atiesh - it's legendary. This collection process is probably due to how easy everyone seemed to think BC's legendaries were to acquire, given that it was just a hit or miss on two bosses. I don't see a problem with something unique and powerful being difficult to acquire - impossible to buy a spot for in a single raid since even if every boss dropped a fragment there aren't enough of them to finish it in one run - but then, I'm also not a healer, so maybe I just don't feel strongly enough about it to get upset about it requiring dedication to get one of these.

Comment by makeleth

so let me get this straight......you are tying to get a LEGENDARY item from PUGING. hmmm....i can only say that the people that have thought about this dont have a brain. these thing can only be atained with guild runs.

Comment by Dongolev

As far as losing it after you throw it in Yoggy's mouth and then wiping, no, that won't happen. You simply abandon the quest and retake it again, and the quest will provide you with another. See http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=13629, it would appear that the Shattered Fragments of Val'anyr that you throw in are given to you by the questgiver.

TLDR: Wiping will not destroy your Shattered Fragments of Val'anyr.

Comment by BortBort

Your post, and others like it, should be down rated. Your post is filled with nothing more than baseless and nonfactual assumptions and bias statements, all of which have been posted before yours. We do not need posts that "sum up" what previous posts have said, especially when those previous posts weren't accurate in the first place.

This is a legendary items, and it is not "safe to assume" anything about it. There is nothing in the buff that implies you can definitively say "all heals" for 15 seconds apply a shield. While it may end up being true, your assumption contributes nothing factual to readers of Wowhead. There is nothing to imply that it is "like most on-equip trinket effects" and has a 45 sec internal cooldown, and it certainly is not "safe to assume" it. The proc benefits every healer that can equip it, and this is something that Blizzard themselves have stated. It is not limited to only effecting "Highest healer per second" healers, as you implied. Once again, you made a useless, nonfactual, and bias statement. There is no "significant chance" that the shields will or will not stack. They will either stack or they won't, and this is even assuming that "all heals" for that 15 seconds apply a shield; which is just another assumption.

Conclusion: Your post is not insightful to readers of Wowhead who are looking for factual information.

Comment by Ferel

well, I can see your point Bort, but with an attitude like that, I wonder how viewers would rate your post? no offense, but that attitude seems to be distracting me from whatever's "insightful to readers of Wowhead who are looking for factual information" on the Hammer in your post. but hey, maybe I'm wrong since it's not "safe to assume" anything.

(TL;DR - it's human nature to assume; if they're wrong, then someone will correct them and provide the right info. same result, less sounding like total @#$%s.)

Comment by smilieface

Colour me unimpressed.

This http://www.wowhead.com/?compare=45457:42144:42144;46017:45271 is a comparison between what is supposed to be the Best MH/OH combination and a Two-Hander (Holy Priest based on WoWHead rankings).

Once you add back the Socket nonus that's a whopping 82 haste and 1 spellpower... And when you add in the Staff specific spellpower chant as opposed to the 1H, you are actually behind!

If my raid was to hand me one of these, sure I would say yes. But I am disappointed that a legendary weapon that requires an incredible dedication both from an individual and a guild can be out-gunned by a drop. It is a tough drop to get, but it is a drop!

Edited to get the comparison link!

Comment by Miseria

The proc is amazing, however the stats seem subpar. I assumed a Legendary mace would be better than this. It's barely better than some of the 25man weaps, and there isn't even a socket.

It's kinda disappointing

Comment by smilieface

OK - If I understand the Proc, each healing spell you cast while the Proc is up is going to cause a shield of 15% of the amount healed.

That's a chunk of shield, esp if you can time your Guardian Spirit etc and drop a BIG heals/Circle of Healing. I can easily crit for 10K using gHeal with my Preist (and he's not massively geared). Call it 1,500 - 2,000. It might even absorb a couple of ticks of AoE damage, or a Flame Wave in OS10

Will it work with HoTs like Renew and Lifebloom... Would be a strange effect to see the lifebloom tick and a shield pop up!

Comment by TheLea

Am I the only one here that thinks this mace is seriously bad?

I don't mean it's "BAD", it's an awesome healing mace.

From a Maintank Healer perspective:
But... It's a ->Legendary<- item that requires months upon months to aquire for ONE player in the guild.
The procc is laughable to use like that. What high-end guild today has fights where the maintank dies? Because that's what I suppose this is meant to be, a MT Healer weapon.
Any raid that has a use for the procc on their tank needs a serious skill-check (Not that maintank healing often requires a lot of skill, only a left hand without Carpal Tunnel)
Have it drop in a purple version from Mimiron or any other late boss in Ulduar and it would be more fitting.

From a Raidhealer perspective:
It's a Priest/Druid mace, no doubt about it.
Raidhealing is THE most important thing in Ulduar. A druid that HoTs everything or a priest that throws PoH/CoH/PoM through every fight can save the raid a hundred times over with this mace.
No more elaboration needed, any kid with a healing spell can spot this fact.
From this aspect: Have it aquired as it is now, but with atleast 100 extra spellpower.

And may horrible things happen to the lootcouncil that hands this to a Paladin.

Comment by SunkenColony

The real questions that remain unresolved are "How will this work with hots" and "Will these damage absorbing bubbles stack?", and of course "What about AoE healing?", and of course, "Will the proc be any good for druids?"

Hopefully we find out something definitive about it.

Comment by Leonm

I'll ignore the trolling.

The point you miss is that this item is in a unique situation, in that
guilds will have to choose who to give this to long before the WoWHead can record its official functionality.
Therefore, the best information we have available to us are assumptions and educated guesses.

The intent of my post above is to gather the best of our current knowledge (which is limited and unofficial), in order to help guilds choose who to award this to, and why; until the first Val'anyr is finally crafted.

By the way, a 'significant chance' is a fractional part of the 'will' half of 'either it will or it won't'.

Comment by Teaspoon

There's datamined info (see http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=64415 and http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=64411 for yourself) showing exactly what the proc is. It's a chance on heal to buff yourself with Blessing of Ancient Kings for 15s where all heals cast by someone with BoAK will also place a shield on the target for 15% of the amount healed. It's also worth noting that neither of the spells linked above have a cooldown, which could mean that there's no ICD and could just mean that it's not available from datamining. The equip effect also lists a proc chance of 10%, which may or may not be useful info.

Why downrank the links to and discussion of real, known info that's been pulled out of the game data files? Stop downranking everything that doesn't agree with what you're hoping for; this isn't Thottbot.

I wasn't sure about the 10% proc chance listed there, but after looking at a few other procs it seems that Blizzard really do put the proc chances into the client-side data so the 10% is probably accurate. There's no info yet on whether it has a cooldown or what it is, because many other chance-on-whatever items with known cooldowns don't have a cooldown listed on either the equip effect or the actual proc. As Leonm mentioned, the internal cooldown on a proc is typically triple the duration of the proc so this thing MIGHT have a 45s cooldown. But it's a legendary so it won't necessarily follow the normal rules.

Comment by Leonm

- V'A bubbling from HoT's?
- V'A bubbling from AoE's?
- V'A bubble-stacking?

I agree, these are the most important questions regarding Val'anyr's (awesome) proc.
However, I've long ago stopped hoping to see a blue post on the WoW forums come and say, "Here are the exact functionalities of how X works ingame."

Datamining of the proc cannot answer these.
Blizzard will answer these the day that monkeys fly out Jim Carrey's butt.
In-game testing will not be possible until the first is crafted, I.E. 2 or 3 months.
Therefore, people looking for this information in order to determine what healer to grant this to, must either decide to forget it and simply give it to their most reliable healer, or go by educated guesses and vague Blizzard posts on these matters.

If you choose the latter, read: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/27/16137530621-explain-valanyr-please.html
Based on this, i find it likely that when the buff is active-
- HoT's will most likely create shields after each tick, the shields worth 15% of each individual tick.
- AoE's will create shields on all healed targets, each worth 15% of the amount healed on that target.
- If the above 2 are true, Val'anyr shields are likely to stack. If they didn't stack, druids would suffer massively compared to other healers. And while Ghostcrawler has been wrong occasionally, I'm willing to bet he took care not to mess up on a Legendary.

Comment by Aedalas

Hunter weapon for sure.

Comment by Teaspoon

I think I love you.

Imagine the awesome shield effects on Mend Pet if hunters could equip maces!

Comment by Rulker

NOT a huntard and even NOT a dktard weapon!

Comment by Nixia

I have heared alot of whine (on the official forums) about the stats (people think they aren't that good for being an legendary weapon) but legendary weapons aren't famous for having awesome stats.
They are famous for there awesome Equip effects.
Some examples
Thunderfury = Chain lightning thing

Sulfuras, Hand of Ragnaros = Fire ball and also Thorn like buff

Thori'dal, the Stars' Fury = Free arrows

Comment by Stoan

Heh, imagine a LoH crit shield, especially from a holy pally that dual specced prot. I have hit 80k crits with LoH, 15% of that would be a 12,000 HP shield. That could help quite a bit at certain times, not to mention the tank would then have full HP again in the first place.

Comment by profilerv2

i...i wonder if i could shield myself with my death pact...

Comment by stevebat

i agree the +int is a must for all hunters

Comment by stevebat

oo look its vendorable

Comment by barda24

FFS Rulker, obviously it aint a hunter or DK wep, look at the stats, its for healz, sonoffool and Teaspoon were just joking around, reffering to the fact that hunters usually can benefit from lots of weps, some better than others. And NO! I am not a hunter or a DK.

Comment by Zalador

omg...

Although hard to get it, with enchants this this will have over 600 sp alone. That is insane then you have the crit haste and that buff

Comment by Blackboy0

A little while ago we gave you a blog about the new Legendary Healing Mace. Now we feel ready to give you something more - the actual Val'anyr, Hammer of Ancient Kings!

As we feed on dataz, you will be fed on information. Here is what we know about the Hammer of the Ancient Kings:

Just thought I'd post this here.

From the Blog post: Val'anyr, Hammer of the Ancients Kings by ArgentSun.

Comment by volrathy

Seems crap realistically

http://www.wowhead.com/?compare=45271:46017;45457:40027:40027

SP - 81+ on the staff enchant
SP - 63+ on the mace

Socket bonus 9 for the staff

=

Gains
+82 Haste
+9 Spell Power

Losses
-27 Int
-5 Sta
-39 Spi
-6 MP5
-57 Crit

I cant justify taking this mace as a priest. Its good but not great.

Comment by Stryper7

Upon looking at the this in the java model viewer on wowhead I noticed a few interesting things:

- The mace head floats up and down above the shaft.

- Every so often the head of the mace shudders violently as the two little titan faces detach from it.

- The titan faces orbit the head a few times before reattaching themselves, causing the mace once again to shudder.

Also, there appeared to be some lightning crackling animation, either that or it wasn't rendering properly for me.

You see I really think most of the people have no business posting here as they won't ever be laying their hands on this mace, much less a good number of shards. So why start talking about who gets this? You won't. I know I will never obtain this in my casual raiding life, that's why I rolled Discipline priest, because lots of crits and cool shields make me feel good about myself.

Kinda sad this is the first post about how the mace looks.

Comment by llDemonll

As quoted per Ghostcrawler (Source):

The proc is probably better than you guys are assuming (even for druids). I'm not going to spoil it though. :)

If you dig deep into the mechanics (those just according to Wowhead, not the actual confirmed mechanics) the proc rate on the Blessing of Ancient Kings is 10%. When this procs it applies this buff, and if you read the 'buff' portion of the page it says 'Provides damage absorption on heal.' If the wording is correct then this implies that the buff is placed on the target and not the player but it does not specify what healing is converted into a shield (see Priest - Grace talent). From this it sounds to me like all healing will be converted into a shield on the player equal to 15% of whatever healing is received during that 15s time period.

I am just making my best guess at what would truly make this mace "legendary" and the only thing I can come up with is that it is not a 1-person weapon and will provide some sort of raid buff.

~~My first option, where all healers of the target will cause the 15% shield.~~

Edit: Upon further investigation of the dummy trigger for Val'anyr I realized that it uses the same trigger as the Scarab Brooch off of Viscidus and so I no longer believe that this proc will apply a buff to the target that will affect all healers incoming heals on said target.

Comment by yoshi9270

your all missing the point. with a name like that it could be the next thunderfury, blessed blade of the windseeker!

Comment by LoreKeeperMobius

wait... where's the mana per second?

Comment by Nightbreak

You seem to forget the chance on heal effect of the mace.

Not a big deal...

Comment by maxisawesome

I know! DPS Is @!$&ing horrible!

Comment by Shorty

Also, part of what made Thori'dal awesome was that since arrow DPS was baked into it, and Steady Shot isn't boosted by your ammo (or at least it wasn't at the time), it did crazy damage with Steady Shot.

Comment by setec

Similar effect is provided by Scarab Brooch http://www.wowhead.com/?item=21625

Comment by setec

AOE healers benefit most from this proc, especially shamans specialized on raid healing.

Comment by darker93

I really want that hammer its sooooooooo cool !

Comment by Blooodytusk

Lol.... not a healer mace..... Healers needs more Spirit or Mana per 5 sec....

This mace gives crit.... Healers needs Manaper5sec or Spirit instead of crit....

The equip effect (shield) and SP (maybe Haste?) is only healer things in this...

Comment by aleksandru

@kandir: then what is this?
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30317
the second legendary mace after val'anyr?

Comment by Legosy

Glyph of Healing Touch makes healing touch worse. Its an incredibly mana inefficient heal after.

Comment by Tryp

Val'anyr is the first permanent legendary item implemented. The legendary items conjured for the Kael'thas fight were, well, conjured items, and only lasted 15 minutes.

Comment by Justdiespawn

Once my guild gets a hold of this baby (already 1 fragment, hoping for more soon), I promise to leeroy Yoggy and upload a video of it.
Quoting Jigsaw:
"Ah, yes.. there will be blood."

Comment by DarkRoland

well, the proc on it makes it so it would be pretty ,much useless on a non healer.

Comment by Overlord4500

Hello, guys I just start on Wowhead. Like the people say, this mace is only for the healers out there in Ulduar, it may take a few days, but if you have time to get them all and throw it at Yogg-Saron and again defeat him, then here's your mace!

Comment by luubox

I cant see why someone would feel that they had to downrate a comment saying a elemental shaman would be able to use this aswell. seeing as the spellpower is equal now, i dont see why not, nice spellpower / haste / crit, mhm sure, ofc the proc isnt ment for dpsing, but still i wouldnt mind picking this up on my shadowpriest or shaman for dpsing.

Comment by borderpatrol

Yogg Saron will be mad when i throw this down his throaght and kill him

Comment by Ferel

I wouldn't say that to your guild's healers... >.>'

Comment by Stryper7

So why is it when I posted relevant info that nobody else had it got downrated:

Nobody else bothered to comment on the aesthetics, they just theorycrafted and class bashed...

Comment by ClaudiMan66

send me a email of it ^^

Comment by ClaudiMan66

you need to get 30 of thise fragment thingys- by the time you have 30 you should be perfect at downing Yogg without a problem!

Comment by Manbewbs

By Stryper7 8 hr 53 min ago (Patch 3.1.1)
So why is it when I posted relevant info that nobody else had it got downrated:

Nobody else bothered to comment on the aesthetics, they just theorycrafted and class bashed...

It's because most wowhead users would rather read on how the Item will perform, not upon the looks. Most of us can look at the 3D version ourselves.

Although "Item X should go to class X" comments are not preferred, "It looks cool because blah blah blah" and "Most of us aren't going to get this, keep dreaming" comments are not welcome too.

Kinda sad this is the first post about how the mace looks.

No it's not.

Comment by freezion

to tryp:

Val'anyr havent been the first permanent legendary item impellented in wow. you might have started at the start of wotlk.

We got sulfuras hand of ragnaros, thunderfury, atiesh, the warglaives and so on! and the first legendary to be obtained were http://www.wowhead.com/?item=17782 but got added to baron geddons loot in a single raid by an accident.

But this is the first wotlk legendary to be impellented indeed.

Comment by mathos22

Hunter weapon.

Comment by aneraxz

nice weapon specialy for priests that love maces ^^

Comment by smilieface

Not really. The proc may be super-uber, but its not going to give that much. If this kind of shield is needed to get through Ulduar, then that is a strange and rather feeble way for Blizz to provide it.

I theorycrafted some numbers, but some people decided that I (and the other theorycrafters) who posited that it wasn't that great compared to the best Staff or other MH/OH combo.

Comment by Tryp

Nah, I've been playing since a little bit before BC, but the OP was talking about a legendary mace specifically. I have no clue why Hand of Rag completely slipped my mind.

Comment by Leonm

Update!
New post from Ghostcrawler:

"Since everyone has now seen the tooltip but not the proc in action, we can understand how the potential for guild drama exists in deciding who gets the righteous hammer.
We'll go ahead and explain exactly how it works. Just give us a couple of days to get some text together." http://blue.mmo-champion.com/27/16137530621-explain-valanyr-please.html

Standby, it seems we're about to get some clarity here after all :)

Comment by Enche

Bornakk, a blue poster, has clarified the proc of Val'anyr in a detailed post:

Link to said thread

We have received many questions about how the proc works on Val’anyr, the Hammer of the Ancient Kings. While we originally intended for this effect to be a mystery, we realize that guilds now know what the tooltip on the proc says without necessarily knowing the details on how it works. This leads to situations where a healer may not know if assembling the hammer is worth it for them (hint: it is), and perhaps even worse, a misinformed leader may not think you deserve the hammer (hint: you do).

Players also wonder if the proc makes the item deserving of its legendary status given that the stat allocation is normal for items of its item level (Hint: it does).

The effect reads “Your healing spells have a chance to cause Blessing of Ancient Kings for 15 seconds allowing your heals to shield the target absorbing damage equal to 15% of the amount healed.”

The way this works is that when the proc happens (which is a 10% chance whenever a hot or direct spell heals, with a 45 sec internal cooldown) you gain a buff (the Blessing) on yourself. Now all of your heals for the next 15 sec cause an 8 sec damage shield. The shield stacks with itself. It includes healing done by subsequent ticks of existing hots on the target. Note that the spell has to actually heal, so hots ticking on a fully-healed target cannot cause the proc. However the shield is based on the size of the heal itself, not the amount healed – i.e. 100% overhealing will not proc the Blessing on the healer, but the shield itself includes overhealing once the Blessing is active. The shield can grow to a maximum size of 20,000 damage absorbed.

Example 1: A paladin casts Holy Light for 10K on the tank, which partially heals her. The Blessing procs, so the paladin’s Holy Light immediately causes a shield on the tank which will now absorb 1500 damage. The tank dodges the next two hits, so no damage is absorbed. The paladin then casts another heal for 8K, but only heals the tank for 600 before she is at full health. The shield is now at 2700 damage absorbed (1500 + 1200) for 8 sec.

Example 2: A druid casts Rejuv on the tank, healing her. The Blessing procs on the druid on the second tick. A shield is applied to the tank which absorbs 15% of the amount healed by that tick and each remaining tick of the Rejuv. If the druid also gets Lifebloom and Regrowth on the tank while the Blessing is up, then those ticks also contribute to the shield. If the shield goes down because the 8 sec duration expires or it absorbs that much damage, it can go up again as long as the Blessing lasts, which is 15 sec.

Comment by Sounder

Clarifications from Ghostcrawler:

Link to his post

To answer some questions:

1) If you are lucky enough to have two hammers in your group, then they will both contribute to the same bubble.

2) It should work as you would expect with PW:Shield and similar effects. Specifically, the damage should work through one shield and then the other. I don't know off the top of my head which one is used first. Sometimes we have edge cases with multiple absorbs like this that we will need to solve as they arise. (To be clear, PW:Shield will not proc the blessing or the bubble though, because it does not heal.)

3) If you have the blessing (i.e. you caused healing and the proc occured) then overhealing will count towards the bubble. Hots that tick on a target will still contribute to the bubble. You can also choose to switch to a direct heal if you don't have enough GCDs available to get all of your hots up before the blessing fades. The confusing part here is that hots that don't heal won't cause the blessing (we didn't want you fishing for the bubble before a pull by constantly healing the tank, though I suppose you could if your tank was injured). But once the blessing is active, then all of your healing spells will contribute to the bubble even if they do no actual healing.

We'll leave it to you guys to theorycraft out if you think the hammer is marginally better for one class than another. Some players were speculating before this announcement that the bubble only applied to one spell, which would definitely favor Holy Light. We implemented it the way we did to make sure the other healing classes could still get juicy bubbles while the blessing was active (which is 15 sec).

Comment by Sernon

Looks like we got an official explanation.

Whenever you cast a spell that heals, you have a 10% chance to proc the blessing on yourself for 15 seconds (45 sec internal CD). 15% of all healing you do during the 15 seconds, overhealing or not, becomes a stacking shield, up to 20k. Shield lasts 8 seconds.

Comment by Cocsus

C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER

Comment by ekow

As I understand it: you get all 30 fragments you start a quest to throw the pieces into him and than kill him... but what happends if you throw the pieces in and does not make the kill? (I guess that by the time you collect all 30 pieces you would have Yogg on farm but still)

Comment by zakarthur

this would be great for everyone so if you are trying to say that "oh its not THAT good" you are wrong. sure blizzard messes up sometimes but they always think about the legendaries when they put them in.

also because of the way the proc works it is good for everyone here is an example for each type of healer

shammy: dropping healing wave on your tank (lets just say you are;)) and you get this buff. you have glyph of healing wave so its putting shields up on you and on the tank keeping both of you alive.

shammy: chain healing as a party healer you get buff put shield up on a bunch of people la dee da dee dah.

it works like this for a while until you get to the priests circle of healing. if you drop CoH and you have this buff it will be a tiny aamount stopped. so dont think "oh giveit to our holy priest shields for everyone" however DoTs that are applied in many ulduar encounters will take these off instantly.

personnaly i think this would wor kbest for druid healers who are dropping HoTs because it would be replenishing itself and not be sporatic like certain other classes.

im saying that and im a resto shammy.

i swear people just go around and down rate posts that could be useful to choosing who gets the shards and uprates teh redundant ones...

Comment by Leonm

Ghostcrawler:

To be clear, PW:Shield will not proc the blessing or the bubble though, because it does not heal.

Sadly this confirms that Disc Priests will not get nearly as much mileage out of Val'anyr as other healers.

Comment by choadbringer

Beautiful hammer. screw the mp5. You could argue that this is designed for paladins since the shield absorption dispensates them for their chronic overhealing. and minimal hots, (i.e. i have forethought hots and T8 hots as options) as well as the absence of mp5 since everyone knows pallies hate mp5.

however, heal over time spells will increase the shield so you druids can just click once and get a shield happening without doing anything more, just like healing :)

As for priests and disc priests, does the glyph for the priest bubble that gives healing proc it? I wonder.

As for shammies. I dont know too much about their healing except that i don't think this hammer was designed with chain heals in mind but who knows.

All I do know, its legendary coz its not going to be easy to get, and it will keep people coming back to ulduar long after the citadel opens for T9 and 240 level gear

P.S. this mace better look good!

Comment by Rikon

Sadly this confirms that Disc Priests will not get nearly as much mileage out of Val'anyr as other healers.

It is possible that the the effect can proc off of Glyph of Power Word: Shield.

Comment by Darkicec

plss can anyone say me a thing i am right if i say that this mace is for Enchancement shamys two?

Comment by clangclangboom

No, slow weapons are better for Enhancement shamans. If you even think of taking this item from a healer you deserve a thousand years of pain.

Comment by KyorraWindblade

-Reads question.-

-Bangs head repeatedly into the keyboard, and cries himself to sleep.-

Comment by Costomodgen

From blue posts we can see several reasons why this weapon is not singularly better for one class over another. There are multiple reasons to say that Val'anyr is better for a Druid over any other class; but in the same breath, one must also admit that there are reasons to say it is better for any one healing-class over every other class.

From Bornakk:

This comes from a Blue Post clarifying the actual effect of the proc. Much confusion and misinformation has lead a great many people to presume that they know how this proc works and as such, it is better for one class over another; this is pure folly.

He moves on to give two examples:

Example 1: A paladin casts Holy Light for 10K on the tank, which partially heals her. The Blessing procs, so the paladin’s Holy Light immediately causes a shield on the tank which will now absorb 1500 damage. The tank dodges the next two hits, so no damage is absorbed. The paladin then casts another heal for 8K, but only heals the tank for 600 before she is at full health. The shield is now at 2700 damage absorbed (1500 + 1200) for 8 sec.

Example 2: A druid casts Rejuv on the tank, healing her. The Blessing procs on the druid on the second tick. A shield is applied to the tank which absorbs 15% of the amount healed by that tick and each remaining tick of the Rejuv. If the druid also gets Lifebloom and Regrowth on the tank while the Blessing is up, then those ticks also contribute to the shield. If the shield goes down because the 8 sec duration expires or it absorbs that much damage, it can go up again as long as the Blessing lasts, which is 15 sec.

So please, stop assuming its better for one class over another, it is a Healing Mace that is equally good for all healing classes.

Comment by angelblack

This legendary should go to your best and most dedicated healer, not to <insert your class>.
It's not made better for one healer or the other. If it turns out to be like that, blizzard will nerf it to be equal. They made it to be equal to everyone and it will if it isn't already.

Just give it to your best healer and you won't regret it.

Comment by thom1111

Any word on how the proc would work with Beacon of Light up?

Comment by MaartenvWijk

Eyonix

It's true that currently Ashbringer is not in the game, although one day in the future it will be, but not until after there is an awesome legendary item for casters. ;)

this caster item is sertenly awesome...

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Comment by Ferel

@ Nytfox:

while the buff is active on the mace-weilder, each heal will apply a shield to those who receive healing (including overheals from what GhostCrawler said).

edit: clearing up - the shield will absorb an amount equal to the full heal (including the overheal as I meant to say), but the receiver must be healed of damage (e.g. someone who is not at full health) to receive the shield from the healer. therefore, someone who is at 100% hp will not get a shield, but someone at 29,999/30,000 will receive it.
edit: never mind, my screw up.

this means that AoE and raid healers will benefit from this item as much as the Main Tank healer.

Comment by Kalcros

I personally DOUBT these are confirmed stats , looking over some of the healing Maces , this barely is a contender in the best weapon. , i think that blizzard may have changed this , and these are not the official stats.

The only thing this wep. really has going for it is its special ability.

Comment by joleHR

Droped yesterday for us from Flame Levitation..

Comment by Xiffrudo

Crappy item for a Restoration Druid.

I'm a Resto, and I would definitely pass this to a Moonkin or any other class, but a weapon without spirit/mp5 for a Resto Druid? Cmon...

Comment by Nixia

Non-heals, such as Power Word: Shield, don't contribute to either proc. That is just the way the item is set up. If you are a Disc priest who ends up with Val'anyr, I would suggest trying to maximize your actual heals when the bubble is up. We are going to make the heal provided by the glyph of PW:S able to cause the procs, though typically items that heal will not cause the procs.

Source: The official forums

Edit because the post i was responding too were deleted

Comment by jameinel

Looking at those wowarmory numbers, it looks like breakdown is:

Guaranteed (100%) 1 boss
Low (15-24% == 19.5%) 7
Very Low (3-14% == 8.5%) 9

So if you were in a group doing a full clear, you should expect 1 + .195*7 + .085*9 = 3.1. So on average, you should get ~3 fragments every week if your guild is able to do a full clear. Meaning it takes 10 weeks to collect 30 fragments. Now, your guild is full-clearing every week, so they shouldn't really have trouble downing yogg-saron to finish the quest. So I guess after 1 year of full-clearing Ulduar every week, you're guild could have 5 healers with this. I would guess by then you'd only need 5 healers unless you were doing a hard mode.

(Even if you pick the top range for the drop change, it only goes up to 3.94 aka 4 fragments per week.)

Now, I did leave out any chance drops from normal mode, but regardless, it's going to take quite a while to get one.

Comment by 8inchunbuffed

does almost equal to TBC glaives

Comment by Chaosrock

Um... take it from a healer? You have to collect the pieces and then do the quest to get the item. The person on the quest is the person who gets the mace. If a shaman wants it they can have it. Because they'd have to spend a few months collecting the parts on their own.

In about a year, when Ulduar is on farm for every guild, these will be very common.

A side note: While anyone can get this and is more than welcome to do so, it really only makes sense for healers to do it. If a non healer got it just to show off I would follow them around and spam /facepalm.

Comment by Izaac

If I ever get this mace, I plan on crafting http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28485 and wearing them together for laughs.

Comment by bmariuz

Goodbye wipes

Picture from MMOCHAMPION: www.spooncraft.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/legendary-ulduar-mace.jpg

Badass

Comment by achilles35

Warglaive of Azzinoth and Warglaive of Azzinoth set drops from Illidan Stormrage in Black Temple I believe. Some Warriors and Rogues (DPS Warriors ofc) still find these weapons useful. Maybe I'm wrong... lol :P but as you yourselves said, Legendaries aren't known for extraordinary stats but for their Equip Abilities.

Comment by Jofredriksen

Ehm, this is almost the same when it comes to certain stats as http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45612

Comment by Brenell

I think it's pretty obvious that any weapon with a proc that starts with "Your healing spells..." should go to a healer.

Comment by chaolan

cant wait to see my resto shammy wearing it ^^

Comment by Boynuz

In short, when you get the blessing, you healing is boosted by 15% (as your heals will shield the target by 15%). And you are able to boost someone's HP by a maximum amount of 20k for 8 seconds, but that requires around 165k total healing.

Comment by Thingamajig

As an 80 mage, I am POed at Blizzard for this, especially after the spellpower update/nerf. Think of it this way: there are two guys; one can only eat white chocolate, and the other can only eat dark chocolate. Well, then their mother comes up with a chocolate that they can both eat.

Soon afterwards, she brings out a bar of this new chocolate and says to one of them, "Sorry. You can't have this; it goes to the other guy."

They could at LEAST have made 2 versions of this mace, as they did with Atiesh.

Comment by RaidHealer

There has never been a healer-only mace added to the game since it game out back in 2004. I think it's time for healers to have their very own legendary-quality weapon.

@Thingamajig - So don't complain about it, there are plently of other good MH's in Ulduar.

Comment by Elvenman

Im quite Dissappointed at this mace really because the effect it gives is already taken by an already existent item.
The Scarab Brooch already Gives that effect which means it can be combined with any mace :( tsk tsk tsk. AND in fact the trinket lasts 30 SECONDS opposed to the mace which is 15 seconds.

Comment by petercopter12

There's something wrong with the 3d preview of this thing. When it moves, lots of white lines show up.

Comment by Ferel

and waste a spot that could be holding an uber Ulduar trinket?

Comment by Tehadam

How... What.... *cries*
HOW IS THAT QUESTION EVEN PLAUSIBLE?
*fetal postion*

Comment by Squeel

I'm noticing a bit of a difference in wording, like how the mace says "equip" instead of "use" and this funny word "cooldown" at the end of the trinket

Comment by Jontarion

Horde side on my server there are 2 guilds who have full cleared (not counting Algalon).

My guild has 3 fragments (3 weeks, 1 Yogg kill) and the other guild that has cleared Yogg has 4 fragments (also 3 weeks, 1 Yogg kill).

By your math both of our guilds should have 7. I think your numbers are inflated and guilds should expect one shard from Yogg and MAYBE one shard from the other 12 bosses.

Comment by Catriandis

Those white lines are an added graphic to the mace. The 3D preview is working as intended.

(Must be using Java mode instead of Flash)

Comment by Athiesh

So does this proc work with heals like Earth shield (which is considered self-healing) or JoL heal?
If so then the JoL heal would be pretty powerful for fights that like to pour out the light but consistent damage.
Steelbreaker's Aura and Light bombs from XT-002 come to mind.

Comment by tropembobra

Hunter Weapon!

Comment by tropembobra

Hunter Weapon!

Comment by ceemeeir

Random loot is always random. There is a chance to complete a mace in 3 clear, but it is very unlikely.

Comment by Talwin

Although i am so glad to see such a fine weapon for the healing caster classes, i can't help but feel that once again dps casters have been overlooked. Back in the days of Vanilla, both good Legendary items were for Melee classes and Ateshi was sub standard and not that Legendary tbh.

I would honestly like to see a Legendary like this for both Caster DPS and Melee classes. Make it just as hard to obtain, so that no matter what, it'll be guild runs and not pugs that get to it and i think it'll inspire more guilds to do end game content and give more players the drive to do it.

In response to Elvenman your completely wrong. The effect is similar but by no means the same. The Scarab Brooch can only affect 1 target for 30 seconds on a 3 minute CD, while the mace can proc the buff on you for 15 seconds and EVERY raid/party member you heal gets shielded and it has no CD, just a CoH.

Comment by Talwin

In response to Elvenman your completely wrong. The effect is similar but by no means the same. The Scarab Brooch can only affect 1 target for 30 seconds on a 3 minute CD, while the mace can proc the buff on you for 15 seconds and EVERY raid/party member you heal gets shielded.

Comment by Nzall

45 second internal CD. read the quotes on this page.

edit: why was my post downrated? i posted a decent reply to Talwin's post, and specifficaly the latter part.

Comment by bambiii

I think we all have missed the real question here, does it look good?

Comment by Kunstbanause

For all those thinking this is a great MT Healer (ie Paladin) Weapon and not for Priests
Please consider the following math:

Prayer of Healing + Glyph of Prayer of Healing
+ 3k Spellpower raidbuffed + 5 tanks taking constant dmg (in the same group and in range)
=
heal / casttime + 1 hot tick * 5 tanks =
(5000 / 2.5 + 200) *5 =

11000 hps
+1650 absorb/sec
for 15 seconds

ITS OVER NINE THOUSANDDD!
Wanna see a Paladin bring that much Heal on the table.

---
This is of course plain Mathcraft and not a represantaion of the actual virtual world.
Things like tanks not taking that much damage are completely ignored.

Comment by rb4havoc

Which was nothing short of disappointing. All that waiting for nothing--Thank you BLIZZARD! /sadpanda

Comment by firespydere

Ok not saying that it uniformly should go to Shammans but imo its best use comes out of a shamman healer. Since shammy heals are designed to have a 1h item and a shield it makes more sense to put this with a Shammy than say a disc priest ie. Since one of the main staples of a resto shammys heal rotation is chain heal this item = raid wide 20k shields. I know that there are arguments that a druid healer and Wild Growth or a pally healer and Beacon of Light would have similar effects and while this is true, i see the best use of the effect of this item when its used by a shamman. Its similar to giving a BoH to a hunter. Sure the hunter gets some nice stat stick use out of it, but when you give a best in slot mele weapon to a hunter its dimishing the uses. This example is a little outdated with the release of 3.1 but anyone who knows what their talking about should get this.

FYI im not a shammy. this is from an ex raid leader's point of view

Comment by epicfailguuy

the Mace in action!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6pwI1NVPSg

Comment by Rankkor

yhea, but while the trinket has a cooldown of 3 min, the proc on the mace has a cooldown of 45 secs.

Comment by pyrochung93

Before you purge my comment, please read my content and think it through. I promise you that I have a point.

It is the only SP weapon in 3.1 that has SP / Crit / Haste.

Pretty damn hard to get, too, assuming raiding guilds dedicate all shard drops to only one person.

Blizzard, please implement a weapon that has a similiar itemization (minus the proc of course). Unfortunate Holy Paladins and Resto Shamans who do not see Val'anyr in their possession in the next few months will be stuck with Turning Tide as their BiS otherwise.

If Blizzard can read this as well, toning down the rarity of this item would greatly improve all of the forums'quality with Val'anyr as the topic. Orange letters can do so much as to distract people's eyes away from the proc and the stats. Drooling Priests and Druids who can benefit off other stats other than crit and haste are being allured in with big orange letters.

Before you purge my comment, please read my content and think it through. I promise you that I have a point.

Comment by Vashie

The equip effect is the same effect you get from Scarab Brooch which drops in AQ40. The difference is that with the mace you get it for 15 sec as opposed to 30 sec and with the mace I'm sure the hidden cd is shorter then 3 min.

If you can't get your hands on the mace, get the trinket, its great for any main tank healer. It takes out the need for crazy mitigation rotations like we saw on sarth.

Comment by Blowmytotem

pyrochung93 - you do make somee fairly valid points tbh.

Resto Shaman + Holy Pallys without this weapon are very limited in choice in terms of an alternative. unless you do hard modes.

Although, i must personally disagree with toning down the rarity of the item. as its not ''hard'' to get. its just time consuming. A Legendary is a Legendary for a reason, there should only be a very limited number per server. and those wielding such an item, should be in top end raiding guilds and dedicated players.

Although i do agree that there is a lot of drooling priests and droods out there loving the pretty orange letters, and failing to look at the stats. i must say i do think the item is ''better suited'' to pally/shammy than it is to a drood/priest, but thats just my personal opinion. and possibly bias being a shammy anyway..

..although, i am currently collecitng the fragments myself... only 7 so far :( WTB MOAR!

Comment by superwombat

As a non-healer (I'm the guild MT) It seems obvious that this mace should go to the healer with the highest amount of healing on Recount (or whatever meter you use).

I know that generally recount isn't a terribly effective tool for validating healer usefulness, however with this mace, it certainly is. You want to count all the overheal, because the proc will be using that overheal to make bubbles.

Healers these days are close enough to each other that the class with the most healing in your raid, may not be the class with the most healing in my raid.

Sadly, the only healing class that really doesn't have a use for this is a Disc priest, but they can always respec to Holy if they are to be awarded the mace.

(FYI, our first mace is going to a holy priest, she has 15 frags already)

Comment by Zentaxio

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Comment by tarunloko

And how exactly would you have gotten it when there isnt even a world first?
Private server nonsense

Comment by tarunloko

Here's a screenshot of the mace. I am wearing it on my human priest.
Just wanted to post a screenshot because it seems no one did it before me.
The Equip Effect does really helps alot keeping the tank up.

And how exactly would you have gotten it when there isnt even a world first of this mace yet?
Private server nonsense

Comment by Nixia

The mace has a 45 sec icd. Source

This buff is much better compared with Scarab Brooch because it also works with healing over time spells, and the bubble it provides stacks.

Comment by Dug36363

It's actually fantastic for a Disc Priest, shame the ones in your guild won't be getting it.

Comment by Sexytroll

Looks horrible.

you know it's true. rate this UP

Comment by darthgnome

tbh, i think it should go to who ever wants the spend the most dkp on the shards/rolls the highest but if a long term member is outrolled by a new person to the guild the GM/RL should decide. as u cant reli go on who does the most healing because as a holy/ret pala im always top on healing due to judgement of light- also doing it this way is unfair on some classes as it may be harder to get top healing due to lack of AoE heals or hots etc, and it also depends on which boss u may do.

Comment by Sillocan

you forget... the staff is a 2H and you can have a book the legendary

Comment by Wakako

Probably the worst thing to give to, is a disc priest.

Comment by Wakako

Nope worst spec to do it since it requires a actual heal.

Comment by theBestInTheGame

atiesh greatstaff isn't attain able anymore you know?

Comment by Thekingotown

Does the proc hurt rage/mana regen in any significant way? (as far as being used by a MT healer)

Comment by Verrmilion

No, the worst thing to give it to is prot pala who still thinks he needs spell power to generate threat :D

Comment by theBestInTheGame

Well this is absurd! Why did my comment get downrated huh? I just said Atiesh,greatstaff of the guardian isn't attainable anymore! This is to them that actully dosn't know it but atiesh isn't attainable anymore because: Once you had to get 40 piece's to make it from naxxramas once that it was at easter plague land's but now when it is moved you can't get the piece's and the top of atiesh from Kel'Thuzad. And the piece from C'thun can't be looted anymore. So next time you downrate something try make research about it if you don't know a **** about it.

Comment by itsnotemy

Actually i'd say it 2nd best to give to a discipline priest being that's itemized perfectly for them second to Holy Paladin and that the proc DOES work for the glyph of power word shield.

It's not bad at all for discipline priest...

Comment by Nelfy

I've read a ton of posts on the stats, and I agree, but only somewhat. 587 spell power isn't a small amount at all.

Comment by JelleJelleJelle

To be fair the weapon itself looks quite rubbish, but the stats are just so !@#$ing sweet!
Carrying this weapon also carries pride, skill and probably lots of spare time too.

Comment by Flassk

Granted it would be a horrific waste of an amazing healing ability, the non-healing stats are beautiful for dps :)

Comment by Leicad

Hunter weapon! Oh wait..

Comment by Redcewe

This mace is the most powerful healing weapon avalible to players at the current time, this is because of the awesome proc.

To gain this mace you must complete a quest line that takes many weeks and requires you to kill Yogg-Saron, an Old God who has enslaved the enhabitents of Ulduar and forced them to do his biddings.

You gain an item called "Fragment of Val'anyr", which has a very low drop rate on heroic bosses in Ulduar. When you get 30 of these fragments together you can combine them to create "Shattered Fragments of Val'anyr." which leads to the quest "Ancient History", once this quest is completed you get the second, and last quest in the chain called "Val'anyr, Hammer of Ancient Kings". After you have done what the quest asks; thrown the "Shattered Pieces of Val'anyr" into Yogg-Saron's open mouth, and defeated him, you will be able to pick up the
Val'anyr, Hammer of Ancient Kings.

This also is the criteria of the achievement Val'anyr, Hammer of Ancient Kings, which is categorized as a "Feat of Strength"

I hope that helped. ;)

Comment by RenarianDuskwood

i would make beautiful babies with this mace. just as i would do w/ Kel'thuzzad's sword. though i'm waiting for Arthas to drop his DK/Pally only 2h sword. which i will, of course, make beautiful babies with. That buff looks pretty sick, and you really cannot shirk off the 580 sp, crit, hr, int, it has everything a healer could want.

Comment by gobbledeg00k

The mechanic is a shield, not an extra heal. From my experience, shields are best applied to targets that are guaranteed to take damage again within the time allotted (8 seconds). Normally the raid does not take consistent damage - but the tank does. This is not a raid-healing weapon, it's for tanks. As for what classes that implies, I'll let you decide.

Comment by Redcewe

I have no clue on earth why my post was marked down, i took a effort into writing that out and all the info is correct of what we know at the current time.

Comment by Mekku

I have no clue on earth why my post was marked down, i took a effort into writing that out and all the info is correct of what we know at the current time.

Your post was a slightly more specific, however equally inaccurate, rendition of the initial post in this thread. That being said, redundancy is a reason to remove comments, hence your comment's downrating. Fragments can drop off Normal mode bosses as well, although the chance is quite a bit lower.

Redundant post is redundant.

Comment by Redcewe

The post i wrote above is correct, the WoWHead loot tables do not show any fragments to drop on normal mode, untill it does my post is not at fault, and the post was wrote to help people, give a little guide, i did not read anything above and i did not copy any of it, reading the above posts does show that my post gives a little extra information on some aspects of the weapon. So there is no reason to be down rated...

Comment by Flassk

i just think it's funny that i got marked down and purged for saying that despite the fact that giving the item to a dpser would be a horrific waste of the proc, that it simply has good stats as haste and crit and a large amount of spell power. if a healer was ... let's say asked to spec for dps for a moment (dual specs are a wondrous thing right now) they probably wouldn't use any other mainhand to do it. simply put, the only reason this post could be considered redundant is that i was marked down before without good reason and i'm posting again. for stating a fact, yes, this IS THE single best healing weapon in the game to date, but, that said, it has hilariously good dps stats on it. and no it shouldn't go to a dpser, i'm simply stating a fact.

Comment by finnian5

Daaaamn look at that 35g vend. Very nice indeed.

Comment by chrizzle

Come on Blizzard, I know you're lazy to enough to make all the pvp sets looks retarded. and the same, but couldn't you at least put a little bit of time into an Legendary? is that too much to ask for? When I first saw it I was disapointed and prayed for a serious cool glow, but no, this just looks like any other random epics, not even close to Sulfuras or Thunderfury, or even Atiesh or Thori'dal? Legendarys looks has gotten worse and worse, lol.

Thunderfury > Sulfuras > Atiesh > Thori'dal > Val'anyr

/emo

Comment by tylerz2

Anyone get this item yet?

Comment by H3R4T1K

I'm not sure if my guild is just lucky but we are getting quite a few fragments which makes me think that the only thing that will make this a rare item to see is the difficulty of the Yogg-Saron encounter.

Comment by Artex

Val'anyr background is given the Archivum in Ulduar after turning in the quest Ancient History:

"

Created by the titans themselves, Val'anyr was given to the first Earthen king, Urel Stoneheart. With the hammer he was to create and give life to the rest of his brethren.
Val'anyr was shattered during the first war between the Earthen and the Iron Dwarves. The Weapon's remnants were believed lost in the conflict.
Probability of successful repair by ordinary means available in this world is close to nil.
Please hold while theoretical means are analyzed.
Powerful acidic content theoretically found inside the being known as Yogg-Saron would count for the liquefaction of Saronite. Submersion in this substance might be sufficient to rebind an alloy of titan origin.

"

Comment by AuronFtw

PvE hours spent grinding shouldn't give you an advantage in PvP, at all, ever. The minute a legendary goes live there needs to be a PvP equivalent or the PvE version shouldn't be able to be used in PvP. Simple.

Two reasons for this - firstly, many active PvPers are in PvP guilds. They are simply unable to do 25 man raids weekly, because their guild doesn't do it and pugs suck. Just being in a PvE guild and doing the grind shouldn't put you (even slightly) ahead of anyone who isn't in a PvE guild.

Secondly, player skill and build choice should be the deciding factor in victory, not gear. (Unfortunately, player skill doesn't relate to some classes, like rogues; but in general, the player should matter more in "player versus player" than hours spent grinding for items).

PvP will never be completely balanced - I'm pretty sure everyone knows that. But every little bit counts, and ignoring balance with a silly argument like "it's only a minor advantage" will never pave the way toward a more balanced game.

Comment by albethnic

why this legendary is only level 239 like any other epic dropping off bosses in ulduar?
shouldn't it be a few levels higher like the warglaives in TBC?

Comment by Artex

why this legendary is only level 239 like any other epic dropping off bosses in ulduar?
shouldn't it be a few levels higher like the warglaives in TBC?

I'm guessing there isn't a proper way to calculate how much would its proc effect increase the item's actual item level.

This is a very unique effect, and calculating its exact benefit using theoretical means could either be way too pricy on its "level budget", or make it overpowered for a fight like Flame Leviathan.

Bornakk said so himself:

"Players also wonder if the proc makes the item deserving of its legendary status given that the stat allocation is normal for items of its item level (Hint: it does). "

Comment by Mds03

Id rather just clear it all on hard mode and get constellus or whatever. that mace isnt worth the bother of 10 weeks work and having to chunk it into Yoggis mouth.

Comment by Kaytiecakes

World first to Snuggleme from the guild Avant Garde on Kil'Jaeden US!
Congratulations to them!
Screenshot

Achievement on Snuggle's armory can be seen here.

**Edit**
Not on this realm any more or re-named. Still leaving the post in it's original state :)

Comment by PikaPika

Seeing as nobody has actually used it, saying it's not worth the effort really is a statement that can't be backed up.

Comment by cangiz

World First went to Sunggleme of Avant Garde.

Here's an image.

Comment by Freohr

World first went to Snuggleme of Avant Garde, US- Kil'jaeden

Comment by Argias

CONGRATS <AVANT "TEAM AMERICA" GARDE> ON WORLD FIRST MACE.

AMERICA, @#$% YEAH!

Comment by Voodaman

World First Val'anyr - Avant Garde of US-Kil'jaeden

Congratulations to Avant Garde -- and more specifically, Snuggleme -- of US-Kil'jaeden on completing Val'anyr, Hammer of Ancient Kings! Join the discussion, or head over to Avant Garde's website for more info! The small screenshot below is what it looks like when Val'anyr procs.

Taken from http://www.worldofraids.com/.
As of June 8th, 2009, Snuggleme of US Kil'jaeden has created the world first Val'anyr! Congratulations!

There are pictures of the proc on both http://www.worldofraids.com/ and Avant Garde's website (http://www.avantgardekj.com/).

http://www.wow-heroes.com/index.php?zone=us&server=Kil%27Jaeden&name=Snuggleme

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kil%27jaeden&n=Snuggleme

Her WoW-Heroes and WoW Armory profiles.

--
Voodaman, US Uldum

Comment by Ghostwarrior

Ok there has now been a confirmed WORLD FIRST of this mace being created heres a link to the article on wow.comhttp://www.wow.com/2009/06/08/world-first-valanyr-formed-by-avant-garde/

Comment by Jyel

Congrats to Snuggleme - Kil'jaeden US.
-Avant Garde-
World First Val'anyr

Comment by lvl3

HUNTER WEAPON!

Comment by Voodaman

Could someone pleae tell me why I was downrated?

Comment by morvain

World first was achieved by Snuggleme of Avant Grande on Monday, June 8th 2009

Armory: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kil%27jaeden&cn=Snuggleme&gn=Avant+Garde

Comment by Sylux

I'm pretty sure you've all been downrated because 'Kaytiecakes' had already said the same information before you, Voodaman.

Comment by Voodaman

When I put my comment on, Kaytiecakes' comment wasn't there. I was the first person the put that info on this page.

Comment by eyetotem

This is a very unique effect, and calculating its exact benefit using theoretical means could either be way too pricy on its "level budget", or make it overpowered for a fight like Flame Leviathan.

Do you really think that a guild that has this mace really has any problems with Flame Leviathan?

Comment by eyetotem

When I put my comment on, Kaytiecakes' comment wasn't there. I was the first person the put that info on this page.
Last edited by

Hence yours being posted 1 day ago and his being posted 2 days ago?

Comment by Iroared

The orange color and bragging rights is what makes this item worth its legendary status.

P.S. the energy beams connecting two parts of the mace go haywire in Java viewer =\

Comment by demonhunter99

Me not being a healer and all just wants to know what this bad boy looks like!

Comment by Voodaman

You're right, totally my bad. I didn't see his comment there.
Sorry guys.

Comment by Shenk

first player on world obtained this! Snuggleme from Kil'Jaeden ... there is a proof -> http://wow.herniweb.cz/pic/news/valanyr.jpg and http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Kil%27jaeden&cn=Snuggleme&gn=Avant+Garde

Comment by Jaston

According to mmo-champion, Snuggleme has obtained the first Val'anyr in the world!

I just hope that the next legendary weapon will be a one-handed tank weapon. I predict an axe just because there are no legendary axes =P.

Comment by masterzyck

Downrate this message!

Comment by FourofaKind

It Disenchants into this http://www.wowhead.com/?item=19019.

Comment by Zerkz

"This is how the proc looks like"......Alliance....

Comment by pallylock

Can anyone link an armory of someone who has obtained this?

Comment by xmolder

I'd like to start this post by mentioning that I am NOT a healer, much less a raid healer, nor am I suggesting that any class should get this over another, but do I see some potential for amazing shields in some OH SH*T moments, or in some big/poorly organized pulls from a druid with this weapon.

Does Tranquility get much love anymore? Because according to the math on those comments, you're looking at 450,000 healed across a raid? And it's obvious to me that this shouldn't be used regularly, or relied on at all, but is there some validity to this theory?

Comment by Pounced

Someone on US-Mannoroth has completed the mace, although I am not quite sure who it is, but I can link it in game now.

Comment by Awesomex

anyone know how many people have gotten this yet ?, just curious i dont think anyone on my server has. then again i didnt check heavily into the alliance guilds yet.

nvm. just read post above me so im assuming atleast 2 people may have it now. lol

Comment by Legomyegolas

So... What does it disenchant into?

Comment by tony934

Val'anyr, Hammer of Ancient Kings + Divine Hymn with Inner Focus

Comment by Vysogota

Guaranteed (100%) 1 boss
Low (15-24% == 19.5%) 7
Very Low (3-14% == 8.5%) 9

So if you were in a group doing a full clear, you should expect 1 + .195*7 + .085*9 = 3.1.

Since when Uduar has 17 bosses? :-) It's more like 1 + .195*9 + .085*4 = 3.1 (certain drop from Yogg-Saron, likely drop from all hardmodes + Algalon, unlikely drop from Ignis, Razorscale, Kologarn and Auriaya).

Comment by Seargent

I know this will probably get downrated, but im going to say what I think, this mace may be VERY good, but it does NOT! deserve legendary classification, This mace has no place in the World of warcraft lore area no one in wows history used this mace and imo it should be striped of the classification because As i said IT HAS NO LORE BEHIND IT, and 10% Drop rating for the fragments is WAY to high for a legendary nature of any legendary item For example Thunderfury you had to assemble two 1% drops then do a long quest chain, and also Sulfuras hand of ragnaro required a premade hammer and a 0.1% drop chance ( estimated) from Ragnaros

Comment by DunkleSeele

tested it today, the internal procc timer seems to be 30sec, instead of 45sec. the earliest procc was 31sec after the first procc faded.

Comment by Xrystal

Here is a list of all the characters profiled that have this mace: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profiles&filter=cr=21;crs=0;crv=46017

Comment by TrueFacts

I could have designed a better looking weapon with a pencil violently slammed in my rectum

-Truefacts

Comment by Gnoktish

This replaces the Atiesh, Greatstaff of the Guardian from old Naxx though the shards needed are less then the other 1.

Comment by G002

World first Val'anyr by Avant Garde on 06-08-2009

Source: MMO-Champion.com :

I think we're almost done with Ulduar now! Avant Garde (Kil'jaeden-US) was the first guild to complete Val'anyr, Hammer of the Ancient Kings the mace went to Snuggleme, a happy druid.

Comment by Jakeofb1adez44

I've looked this mace over quite a few times and all I have to say is... you can have it. I really don't like it, I'd personally rather have this bad boy. I mean, it's just my opinion, but I'd rather have MP5 and more SP (Runed Scarlet ruby in the socket) than a lame little shield...

And now, I get down rated...

Comment by macteplmao

Gratz to meka to be the world first ( EU ) to get val'anyr

Comment by EJDA

lemme get this straight, say ur a holy pally and u cast a FoL on a friendly target and make the sheild proc, and after that u cast a Holy Light heal, all of this, assuming that ur buddy is almost dead.

my question is, the damage absorbe effect will proc based on the FoL heal that made the sheild proc, or the Holy Light heal? needless to say that there is quite the difference in the amounts healed between those 2 spells.

Comment by Kulutues

Blizzard was reminded that this proc existed after seeing so many use the Scarab Brooch from AQ40 in PvP.

Comment by gunman22

If WOWHEAD is showing true SP on weapons for next patch this weapon will be obsolete. even if you count the equip your still losing around 114 SP to the new patch weapons.

why downrate its so true SP is wayy more important for HPS than a Chance proc

Comment by xzcristianz

if im broke i would sell it for 20g

Comment by trollmonn

I know i am gonna get downrated, but in all honesty and reality this is a far better weapon for a holy paladin then lets say a holy priest. this item is terribly statted for a holy priest but very very well stated for a holy paladin. As far as a holy priest or a druid if you do not count the proc staff of endless winter is much better. Not saying its not good for a holy priest or a resto druid it is just slightly better for a holy paladin. So if you are really trying to get the best use of your items in your guidl give this to some other healers and let holy priests and resto druids get staff of endless winter.

Comment by pnukup

DK weapon, tbh.

Comment by ooch

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45038 this

Comment by Palaedin

Two people on My Server already have this Mace, the Paladin that has acquired this, transfered just to be in the Top Guild on my Server, the other is a priest that has it, same guild. But the Healer's that dont have it, have http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46035

Comment by googol

Val'anyr, Hammer of Ancient Kings: This item's stats and level have been increased to match the power level of healer weapons coming from the Coliseum 25-person normal difficulty instance. In addition, each time Val'anyr is equipped, Blessing of Ancient Kings will be placed on a 45-second cooldown before it can occur.

3.2 PTR notes update

http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/july/valanyr32.jpg for new stats

* Item Level has been increased from 239 to 245
* Stamina has been increased from 52 to 55
* Intellect has been increased from 54 to 57
* Spell Power has been increased from 587 to 621
* Critical Strike Rating has been increased from 47 to 50
* Haste Rating has been increased from 46 to 49

Comment by razord93

Will change in the upcoming patch to match the new item level/raid items
Item Level has been increased from 239 to 245
Stamina has been increased from 52 to 55
Intellect has been increased from 54 to 57
Spell Power has been increased from 587 to 621
Critical Strike Rating has been increased from 47 to 50
Haste Rating has been increased from 46 to 49
PTR 3.2.0 May change

Comment by Tsukushi

The stats of this item will be buffed in patch 3.2

Taken from MMO-Champion:

* Item Level has been increased from 239 to 245
* Stamina has been increased from 52 to 55
* Intellect has been increased from 54 to 57
* Spell Power has been increased from 587 to 621
* Critical Strike Rating has been increased from 47 to 50
* Haste Rating has been increased from 46 to 49

Looks more like a legendary now =)

Comment by Voodaman

There have been some comments on here saying that these stats aren't quite spectacular...Blizzard is fixing this in patch 3.2

Val'anyr Stats changes in 3.2
As mentioned in the patch notes update earlier tonight, Val'anyr has been boosted in patch 3.2. Below are the new stats.

* Item Level has been increased from 239 to 245
* Stamina has been increased from 52 to 55
* Intellect has been increased from 54 to 57
* Spell Power has been increased from 587 to 621
* Critical Strike Rating has been increased from 47 to 50
* Haste Rating has been increased from 46 to 49

taken from http://www.mmo-champion.com/

Comment by Dentistry

It's item level and stats have been increased in 3.2 (though this is on the PTR, so this may be subject to change).

It's now

ilevel 245 (>239)
Stamina: 55 (>52)
Intellect: 57 (>54)
Spell Power 621 (>587)
Critical Strike Rating 50 (>47)
Haste Rating 49 (>46)
The blessing now has a 45 second cooldown after the item is equipped.

According to the 3.2 PTR.

Again, this is the PTR so it's subject to change (but probably won't).

edit: Oh, and someone beat me to it. =[ I really should refresh wowhead before commenting.

Comment by r3vilations

im happy to say that i am yet to lose to a holy pally - ? team comp. they arnt that op, just get them oom or wait till they pop their mana regen thing and burst the @#$% outa the dps. simple.

Comment by r3vilations

as a druid im ALWAYS toping meters but thats because HoTs on 25 people do ALOT of healing (pre HoTing FTW)

not many healing maces out there for druids sadly

Comment by crazymniac91

does anyone know anyone or any character that has this weapon?

Comment by Twinkzrus

LOLZ i wanna drink liquid saronite, MAKEMEGOD

Comment by Suprem

Elffy from Sylvanas-EU (horde) got it 3 days ago . Gz to him.

Comment by azrealgrimm

just goes to show ya that all healers are disc wannabes

Comment by McBayne

wtf wherese feral AP?

Comment by McBayne

WTF where's feral AP?

Comment by kolbeinn93

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Laughing+Skull&n=Avalonn player who has the mace

Comment by modicumofrespite

Poor disc-priests lose out on this one. Sure a shields heal could proc it, but the disc-priest put his talent points in shields at the expense of stronger heals, so his heals are by definition, weaker. Also, any shielding during the proc would be completely wasted. Ironically, the only healer the Legendary shielding mace isn't (as) good for is the disc shield-priest.

Comment by ultradark

(ninja) weapon

Comment by Psylly

One excellent reason to NOT give this to a druid... you can't see the awesome mace when they're a tree.

Comment by edgeis80

hmmmmmmm, I wonder how many people in the world have this so far. Is there a site we can check, or no?

Comment by Isaih

First Legendary of WotLK replaced in 3.2.

I mean the 15% bubble is nice, but it's hard to justify the loss of 114 SP against the new weapons.

Comment by Evilkyro

Im the owner of the mace and i've composed a short post with about the path betwenn 30 shards and getting the mace with about 20 screenshots...

You can check it on our guilds forum http://www.passionguild.com/viewtopic.php?t=10647 .. its in the public section, so everyone should have access

Comment by targresh

I was just wondering, if a healer were to get a weapon they thought was better and disenchanted this mace, what would it disenchant into?

Comment by devilcry

the guild master of the top alliance guild on Jaedenar has this weapon ! here is an armory link to proove it :
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Jaedenar&n=Helltalon

Comment by xxjay17xx

Off the 3.2 PTR Notes:

"Val'anyr, Hammer of Ancient Kings: This item's stats and level have been increased to match the power level of healer weapons coming from the Coliseum 25-person normal difficulty instance. In addition, each time Val'anyr is equipped, Blessing of Ancient Kings will be placed on a 45-second cooldown before it can occur."

So for all the people complaining that it is ridiculous that it will be replaced by the new Coliseum weapons, your cries have been answered =)!

Comment by didiabloodhoof

i know it seems like im nagging, but im kinda dissapointed at the stats of this wep (apart from the blessing of ancient kings) being resto druid all this time, youd think it would have more stats than it does. i mean is allmost as good. still a good hammer.

Comment by Vidak

The stats of Val'anyr has been increased by:

Item Level has been increased from 239 to 245
Stamina has been increased from 52 to 55
Intellect has been increased from 54 to 57
Spell Power has been increased from 587 to 621
Critical Strike Rating has been increased from 47 to 50
Haste Rating has been increased from 46 to 49

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Comment by Cosmikaze

Do you see the text "hunter"? no? then stop asking stupid question

Comment by frazraf

And where exactly should I see the text "hunter" or any other class? Stop looking for reasons to troll.

Comment by davenrothz

Does anyone know the ilvl or stats this item will be getting?

Comment by drastil

Hunters can't use it so it's a stupid question, who cares if mend pet could proc it? It's irrelevant

Comment by drastil

My question is does anyone in the game have this item yet? I've been into Ulduar 25 several times and I've never seen one of the fragments drop.

Comment by GodLikeX

It will get you out of your seat. Needless to say, will be upgraded in 3.2 in patch notes. BEHOLD THE ALLMIGHTY OP LEGENDARY.

Comment by dancanie

Enhancement shammy PvP mace.

Comment by Delvara

I'd like to have seen some mp5 on this, even if it did take away some stamina which we don't really need as healers.

Comment by Blackops

**Val'anyr, Hammer of Ancient Kings: This item's stats and level have been increased to match the power level of healer weapons coming from the Coliseum 25-person normal difficulty instance. In addition, each time Val'anyr is equipped, Blessing of Ancient Kings will be placed on a 45-second cooldown before it can occur.**

Anybody know what the new stats are?

Comment by Leicad

Legendary's disenchant YOU!

Comment by zekryn

Equip: Your healing spells have a chance to cause Blessing of Ancient Kings for 15 sec allowing your heals to shield the target absorbing damage equal to 15% of the amount healed.

Despite what the tooltip says, I think it might work for any helpful spells. For my paladin, it can proc when I cast Sacred shield which isn't a healing spell. I also think I've had it proc on clense before.. havn't seen it proc when I buff blessings though.

It's kinda annoying because I cast sacred shield on the tank before the pull/myself before pvp and it procs and goes away before the fight even starts.

Comment by benm550

Seems they buffed this mace with 3.2, it is now item level 245.

Comment by IbFeeshin

The equip effect is 2-D...

Comment by Darkrainin

Nice for my boomkin offspec too ^^.

Comment by mathos22

I believe this entire conversation has occurred before, almost word for word.

See: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=17782#comments:id=553818

Comment by thebuttcarnival

Wow. I think I will be the first one to state how good a warlock would benefit from this outstanding dagger. First of all, making this a piece of cake now that 3.2 is live. You see,more guilds are progressing in TOC,and less in Ulduar. Thus meaning, less and less of the playerbase will want/acquire this item. For fresh conquest beginners starting Ulduar, getting this will be significantly easier then when 3.1 came out. Now,on to the subject. For a Warlock,they all benefit from crit and haste. Exp.A Lock casts a Shadowbolt. With the insane crit rating on this dagger, that Shadowbolt is going to be critting more often then with a standardised weapon like http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23168. Also,on to haste.Haste makes the Shadowbolt cast time much quicker. This means much faster DPS. Haste is extraordinary for Locks because especially on Algalon, you need to burn him VERY fast so fast deeps is the definition of pro. On to the godly proc. Warlocks heal most of the time from damaging attacks thus concluding this proccing all the time. Especially as of 3.2 when DeathCoil is now in the standard rotation. On top of that, the godly int and stam are awsome because that obviously raises the Lock's stam and intellect, which is a must for raiding. I hope you guys see where I'm coming from =D.

Comment by thebuttcarnival

Ok. I was discussing the stats. Read over my post again pl0x.

Comment by Ragameus

And if you pick up the afficltion talent, which converts damage into healing, you also get a chance to proc this!

BTW, I think you guys are missing the fact that he was simply MAKING A JOKE.

Comment by Harkekark

Clearly a hunter wep, n00bs,

Comment by thebuttcarnival

Actually, it does have int and haste which is useful, and I wonder if Mend pet will trigger the proc.

Comment by JeffLebowski

It's *all* hunter loot!

Comment by JeffLebowski

In Soviet Russia, *mace* disenchants *you*

Comment by Dartx

Good weap kinda hard to get though but thats to be exspected of legendarys

Comment by thebuttcarnival

Actually, nowadays, legendaries are welfare.
Two Mages in my guild have Thunderfury Solely for the achievement.

Comment by gorondor132

k i guess this is a really nice weapon to have but honestly, if u think about it, 30 fragments, and the dungeon takes 1 week to unlock, u must have no life.

Comment by Draste

This is a nice mace, the only thing that would improve it is a pair of t¡ts.

Comment by didiabloodhoof

i want this for my hunter. he could do with the sp

Comment by Aeriales

I wonder what would happen if you disenchant it?

Comment by aspectral

Val'anyr does show enchants. In some of the screenshots above, it can be seen that +63 spellpower shows along the electrified center portion, and some rays of the enchant graphic show through the head of the mace.

Comment by JKWood

... I seriously hope you're joking. Legendary Healing Mace... I'd think that most healers who completed the thing would hold on to it until the end of time.

Comment by sotillion

no, tard. can't u read?
"The mace can only obtained by healer classes (druids/paladins/priest/shamans)."

Comment by sotillion

It's impossible to get one as hunter..

Comment by FOUSANT

If I cast a 5K heal, the shield proxies to absorb 15% of that (750 Dmg). If I want to increase the absorption capability, I would have to spam heal. If each heal costs 400 mana, in perspective, I would be using 400 mana to only get 15% effective damage mitigation. For that case, I'd rather let the tank take the hits and do my standard healing procedures since It's more mana efficient. As a previous poster mentioned, OOM would be inevitable.

If, on the other hand, the shield absorption increases with heals regardless who is casting, this may be more acceptable. At the moment I don't see myself trading weapons stats and an 85% reduction in mana/heal efficiency in order to get this item.

Could I be missing something?

Comment by Manicore

I want to know when they will bring out lvl 80 Lengendary weapons for non-healers! Bring out the DPS Legendary!

Comment by zetapoo

What we are forgetting here (regarding the disc priest issue) is that we have dual spec.

Disc priests make excellent MT healers: while their raw healing output may not be as high as say, a paladins, when this sort of blessing is active the priest is of course going to make good use of it by 'spamming' healing spells rather than pw:s.

Holy priests make excellent raid healers: Obviously on fights which have alot of incoming raid damage, this weapon would be incredible in the hands of a holy priest to mitigate much of the damage, in fact as a disc priest it reminds me of the days before the soul warding nerf where I could spam pw:s on the raid before something like frozen blows and mitigate the first two ticks.

My point is that priests are the only class in the game to have two different trees for two different healing styles. Disc for MT healing, and Holy for raid healing. The priest, who probably shows this level of dedication already(they are getting the mace after all) would likely have two raid specs, one for MT healing on a fight like Gormok the impaler in h-toc, and one for raid healing on a fight like, say, Hodir.

Comment by jackdhammer

For those who think this wouldn't be good for a disc priest I would argue that a) it stacks with our current shields and mitigation effects b) while we may not hit with one big heal = one big shield, a bunch of smaller shields will equal the same mitigation.

Plus from what I can tell there is no internal cooldown on the proc. Our holy pally got heres last night and she was doing that spam aoe heal pallies do and it kept on refreshing on all of us.

Comment by Shikuya

Luckily, our healing officer (pally) has had one for awhile now, and we just got our 60th fragment (2nd mace) so our priest will also have one. Can't wait to see more of those bubbles around the raid now lol.

Comment by Doomedge

Yeah man, 36 gold! My guild is so pro on my priest i just collect tons of these and sell them, fast money.

Comment by Nick1995

Omg this weapon is sooooo wrong, if you have it as healer its sick u will heal tons :O

Comment by smashfanDS

This weapon is a mace, hunters can't equip it :(

Although I see hunter written all over it...:(

Comment by Eldriul

The item cannot proc from Mend pet, Mend pet is a hunter spell, and hunters can't use maces :P

Therefore there is no way to test it hypothetically or not :P

Comment by sotillion

I love u guys for giving this dumb hunter post +'ses and purging my comment.

Comment by Tovir

I have this on my paladin, so here are some notes:

Casting sacred shield will cause the proc to go off (making your heals start to absorb). Not sure if the proc from sacred shield can proc the mace.
The healing over time from your flash of light adds to the mace's shield on the target when your mace is proc'd.
Heals on yourself from your JoL cause the shield on you, but not on anyone else. Still unsure if the healing from JoL can trigger the mace proc.
Healing caused by trinkets do not trigger the shield effect, pretty sure they also do not cause the mace proc (tested using Living Ice Crystals).
Healing from your Glyph of Holy Light triggers the shield (which makes your raid look really cool ^_^ )
You do not have to cast an effective heal in order to proc the mace (healing a target at 100% will proc the mace)

Let me know if I missed anything to test.

Comment by unclejessie77

Am i the only person whose NOT impressed with the dmg absorption of this mace? I see holy priests whose Power Word:Shield absorbing more dmg

Comment by morgahn

1 of my friend have this mace to heal i say"i u are a prist healer use this! it take time to get it bout it is good"

Comment by RestoHealzAv

This weapon is the best weapon for any healer. It will be up until 3.3

Comment by Cowlevel

Cannot be disenchanted

Comment by Holocron

Cannot be disenchanted

The world will never know.

Comment by Treld

test it on a private server

Comment by helxen

No idea why this is rated that high, since class requirements are very clear and there's no hunter listed.

A herd instinct maybe?

Comment by nautiness

doesnt seem to be unique equipped...

be kinda cool to have a shammy dual wielding these:D

Comment by Dano78

On our server, Abyss crystals are at $40+. You would be better off sharding it.

Shadowmourne by the way vendors for 50g.

Comment by kikiko3

Does anyone know what happens if you fail at yogg-saron after you threw the hammer at him?

Comment by Kunstbanause

I am a Holy Priest and I got it today and it took me 7 months since the first fragment.

Comment by adamb10

Val'anyr was not buffed in 3.3 and most likely will end up being replaced in Icecrown Citadel. Even Blizzard themselves say it's going to be replaced:

Legendaries are not intended to be the last weapon you'll ever need. WoW is a game about upgrading your stuff.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21730676505&pageNo=1&sid=1#14

Comment by Kalox

hey! i understand it now, but you forgot something:
4 - 2 = 2

4 / 2 = 2 = 2 * 1

2 * 1 = 2

2!= 2

=P

Comment by Kalox

hey! i understand it now, but you forgot something very important:

4 - 2 = 2

4 / 2 = 2 = 2 * 1

2 * 1 = 2

2!= 2

=P

Comment by Kalox

Hey! i understand it now, but you forgot something very important:

4 - 2 = 2

4 / 2 = 2 = 2 * 1

2 * 1 = 2

2!= 2

=PLast edited by

Comment by druidhealz

The fact that hunters can't wield maces is irrelevant. Even if they could, they wouldn't be able to use this one because it is only available to palas, priests druids and shammies, i.e. all classes that can heal.

Comment by Troarecords

lol im using the mace for pvp with my discipline priest :) it's amayzing what can you do with power shield and this buff :)

Comment by shmog

This is the WotLK version of Atiesh

Comment by bloodyhoof

who wants to sell this weapon?

Comment by Oajng

I think this is one of the weapons that will not be replaced for a long time, just because of the fact that it scales with healing so well. Only reason I think it will be replaced is when the loss of spell power compared to other weapons outscales the proc of the weapon, but even then spell power = more over healing in top end gear, and the effect will most likely not be a waste since it is absorbtion.

Comment by Tedpurvin

lol the bouble looks pritty XD

Comment by Enthorn

Val'anyr, Hammer of Ancient Kings + Sundial of Eternal Dusk + Enchant Weapon - Mighty Spellpower + Blessing of Kings

Intellect: 135*1.1 = 148.5
Stamina: 133*1.1 = 146.3
Spirit: 68*1.1 = 74.8
Critical Strike Rating: 50 (1.089%)
Haste Rating: 117 (3.568%)
Spell Power: 803

Archus, Greatstaff of Antonidas + Enchant Staff - Greater Spellpower + Blessing of Kings

Intellect: 188*1.1 = 206.8
Stamina: 188*1.1 = 206.8
Spirit: 141*1.1 = 155.1
Critical Strike Rating: 141 (3.07%)
Spell Power: 1052 (includes 9 SP socket bonus)

Difference (rounding): +58 INT, +61 STA, +80 SPI, +91 Crit (1.98%), -117 Haste (3.568%), +249 SP

Suffice it to say, I'm inclined to believe that the damage absorption shield on the mace far offsets the increase in stats.

Comment by Gandazar

I'm so sick of hearing people talk about how holy priests can either raid heal better

Priests have two healing specs. Discipline is optimized for single-target healing, Holy is optimized for multi-target healing. If you haven't figured this out, you probably haven't played one of them (or haven't learned to play it properly).

A good disc priest knows how to heal any situation, and is usually a better player than a holy priest all-around.

And I guess now we know which one that is...

/sigh

Comment by PKainus

I have a feeling this is going to be BiS for Holy Paladins even in Cataclysm, unless something drastic happens to Paladin healing, making SP more beneficial for us. As of right now, the proc is ~20%+ of a Paladin's effective healing, so I don't see it getting replaced any time soon.

Comment by Yondick

Um... yeah, this has bigger DPS than most two-handers from BC...

Comment by Eteryu

Any idea how the shielding works with Infest?

Comment by zapiks44

Almost every healer I know of who has this say they plan to keep it through ICC. On average ICC boss fights the absorbs account for 10-20% of their total healing done, and the shields provided have undoubtedly saved player's lives on countless occasions. It would take a truly insane amount of spell power to make up for losing that. Most likely they'll stick with Val'anyr until the first tier of raid content in Cataclysm, similar to how tanks stuck with Thunderfury well into Burning Crusade.

Comment by Olegusius

Agree.... :)

Comment by awebz

is this still better than anything in ICC?

Comment by Luk1

Good weapon for holy priest, but staves are better.

Comment by julof26

100th comment :)

Comment by mayhem666

I have seen this weapon on Sporeggar. Troll shaman resto. A lucky guy :)

Comment by Naocnr

What do hunters do when blizzard makes a legendary for Classes: Hunter if this and shadowmourne are appparently hunter loot? Do their brains explode?

Comment by Chaosg0d3

I can successfully say that this mace is still very much a useful weapon, even in the Lich King25 man fight.

Comment by Luk1

I dont want to read 100 comments so let me be.... You must have always last word ? Look after your stupid comments!

"smacked repeatedly with a bubble wand" Are you still in WoW or what? Uninstall Wow you addicted child!

Comment by haze12

Question, If someone in my guild gets 30 Fragments etc. and we do the yogg saron part to get it, is there anyway i can get the mace from there if i didnt have the fragments to start? i heard there is

Comment by TheBlackHand

Val'anyr is still the best healer weapon you can obtain in WotLK! :)

Comment by Hourglass

Ah, the joys of being a caster. To wit:

They removed Naxx40, taking the legendary Staves with it. Then they dawdle about, deciding on a Mace, which requires dragging 24 other players through an instance that became obsolete the moment ToC was released. Those of us who did get the Mace were rewarded with a long-standing bug affecting the proc, a complete lack of sockets (let alone 3 Red ones!) and a general sense of discontent and dissatisfaction with the weapon as a whole.

And then there's the Sealed Chest. What do the players with Val'anyr get for killing the Lich King?

It's been a running joke in the caster community for years that the game should have been called, World of Meleecraft (or more recently in Wrath, World of Platecraft). Looks like when it comes to the best gear, the Plate DPS guys have the last laugh. Again.

Contrary to popular belief, not all orange text is created equal.

Comment by Hourglass

You do make some good and valid points. However, I would present an alternate view.

A lot of players have complained about Naxx40's removal; Naxx in its original form was the best raid in the game in many players' opinion. Not because it was the absolute top tier, but rather because it was well-designed, challenging, had some truly unique mechanics and above all else, was fun.

In its current form - even when Wrath was released - it was reduced to little more than an "lolLore" stepping stone on the path to bigger things. It's given about the same regard as Kara was during the back half of BC.

The staff is obsolete, yes. Very much so. I doubt many people would want it as an upgrade; I mean how many people show up to your raids carrying Thunderfury or Sulfuras? The difference is that while both of those are also obsolete...both are still in the game. Soloable to obtain, no less. (Though I will admit this requires a fair bit of RNG luck.)

As for Ulduar, personally I loved the instance. However, a lot of players did not and (more importantly) the moment a raid with higher iLvl gear gets released, players immediately disregard the raid(s) before it.
Ask anyone who is still collecting Fragments how easy it is to round up 24 players willing to come with them to a raid that's two Tiers lower than the current content each week...especially when those 24 players won't be eligible for Fragment rolls. And then ask them how much trouble they have finding people for ICC.

The proc on the Mace was bugged for a long time. There were numerous (countless might be the better word) threads about it on the Healing forum as well as the Class forums. Yes, the proc is nice. It would have been nicer had it worked like it should the whole time. That shiny 2H Axe doesn't seem to have any proc issues.

As a Priest, I'm well aware of how horribly other class' itemization is; Not just in Armor but in weapons (ask the Elemental Shamans how the expansion has treated them). The difference is when you are a Plate class, you have the option to wear other Armor levels. A Druid cannot equip Mail, a Shaman cannot equip Plate, and a Cloth-wearer can't wear anything else.

You're absolutely right when you say healers have more time spent with their BiS for this expansion; However, it might be fair to say that players carrying Shadowmourne will enjoy their time more than players carrying Val'anyr...especially since you can zone into the current instance (complete with 30% bonus!), kill the expansion's end boss and walk out with a Sealed Chest for your effort.

I'm aware this all sounds like generic caster QQ, and perhaps it is. But when you look at the two sides, it's obvious there's a pretty darn big rift between them.

Comment by Bandom

Question:Would this be better for my holy pala (in arena 2v2 and 3v3, maybe 5v5) pvp than my current Royal Scepter of Terenas II? i know its prolly worse but i just wanna make sure, since my guild is gonna start raiding ulduar (wtf?) soon.

Comment by dpedroia15bosox

For some reason I have the idea that "ammo" will still be in Cataclysm, it just won't be consumable and more of a permanent repairable item.

Comment by CrusaderFelbane

This is so not fair! Blood DKs would love something like this!... so that they actually have some decent damage mitigation...

Comment by badley

Yeah because blood DK's are so uber1337 at healing.

Comment by Rydberg123

Awesome Weapon!

Comment by Baldmurder

Notice that this weapon is actually infact, NOT unique.
Meaning that if you are willing to spend the time (and find others to help you) to grind for a 2nd mace, you can actually have this legendary mace 2 times.

however, other then fun/personal achievement i see no reason for someone getting 2 maces.

Comment by meepluvr

this is obivously a tank mace

Comment by FearBlade

DK weapon.

Comment by dubplate

Now in RL!

Comment by gnorkthedark

"Side: Horde"

Comment by Bamurela

Can you still do this in 4.0.2?

Comment by Aelobin

The absorb created by Val'anyr is not affected by a disc priest's mastery.

Comment by Daralyn

still can't fugure out...

with cata many things had changed...

it is at least possible to make q serie for Val'Anyr as DK? - entirely for my maniacal Lorefreak purpose?

i mean... shards of Val'Anyr can drop for anybody OR just for that 4 healing classes?

Comment by Peso

Patch 1.1 - Patch 7.0.3

Talisman of Binding Shard
Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker
Sulfuras, Hand of Ragnaros
Atiesh, Greatstaff of the Guardian
Atiesh, Greatstaff of the Guardian
Atiesh, Greatstaff of the Guardian
Atiesh, Greatstaff of the Guardian
Warglaive of Azzinoth
Warglaive of Azzinoth
Thori'dal, the Stars' Fury
Val'anyr, Hammer of Ancient Kings
Shadowmourne
Dragonwrath, Tarecgosa's Rest
Golad, Twilight of Aspects
Tiriosh, Nightmare of Ages
Qian-Le, Courage of Niuzao
Xing-Ho, Breath of Yu'lon
Jina-Kang, Kindness of Chi-Ji
Fen-Yu, Fury of Xuen
Gong-Lu, Strength of Xuen
Qian-Ying, Fortitude of Niuzao
Thorasus, the Stone Heart of Draenor
Nithramus, the All-Seer
Maalus, the Blood Drinker
Sanctus, Sigil of the Unbroken
Etheralus, the Eternal Reward

Comment by gaberra

Yogg-Saron is the only boss that has a guaranteed drop of a fragment.

10% doesn't mean is guaranteed... read before reply...

Comment by Samaramon1

Suppose is quite possible to get all the fragments by just duo farming Flame Levi every week. The only challenging part would be defeating Yogg with a solid group later. Other than that, considering this wep does not need any reputations, any hard modes, or any major quests involved, would be safe to say it's a farmable legendary. Kinda. Sorta.

Comment by Isiwien

Killing Yogg without any assistance of the keepers makes the drop chance 100%.

Comment by Isiwien

So my comment was valid.

Comment by dythe

Best looking one-handed mace in the game, as it should be. :) At least imo.

Comment by Runeweaver

Val'anyr will also be made available for Monks come Mists of Pandaria
Source: I have the fragments in my bag on the BETA and it classifies Monk as an eligible class.

Comment by keildia123

Blood elf disguise on female troll shaman (xondria)

Comment by JoshUK

Does anyone know if Ulduar will be soloable at lvl 90 for a Paladin? I really want this mace, but can never form a group for it.

Comment by ValBlacksmith

Ulduar is not soloable if you're trying to get this mace by yourself. Your first problem is Hodir, you need one person to run the tunnel, and the other to stay in the arena.

Comment by jacobwx77

Val'anyr is unoptainable for monks due to a bug with the quest. this will be fixed in 5.2 (confirmed this on the PTR), personally i'll strive for world first monk with Val'anyr... not that i have any way of confirming it...

Comment by NickMansell

Well, I know what I want for Winter's Veil.

Comment by Avarosan

The question is, does it proc from Mend Pet?

Comment by fendred

I don't play a healer, but I'm quite curious if this can still be a relevant item for healers? I mean sure the stats are terrible compared to current gear, but that 15% shield would still scale to current heals and therefore be quite powerful.

Comment by Alexutzu200973

i have 1 question if u heal with this hammer on mop how powerfull will be the shield ? and lets say that you have an awesome gear on and you are druid

Comment by Chrii

Imo all legendarys should work like a heirloom 1-90, since its so hard to obtain, with exception of cloak. Maybe that one unlocks after WOD launches so it can be sent to other toons.

Legendary cloak
Dragonwrath, Tarecgosa's Rest
Sulfuras, Hand of Ragnaros
Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker
Warglaive of Azzinoth & Warglaive of Azzinoth
Shadowmourne
Thori'dal, the Stars' Fury
Val'anyr, Hammer of Ancient Kings

Discuss, what do you think?

I think it would be awsome to be able to use my Thunderfury 1-90(100)

Comment by The0o

For those Level 90s out there farming this, here are a few tips

Fragment of Val'anyr drops from every boss on 25 Mode with a tiny increase in the drop rate when the boss is killed on "Hard Mode", Not every boss has a Hard Mode (Ignis the Furnace Master, Razorscale, Kologarn and Auriaya lack a Hard Mode) and the only Boss with an 100% Drop rate is Yogg-Saron. However i do suspect Algalon the Observer has a higher than normal drop rate (30-50ish%), Also Hodir can drop 2 fragments at hard mode (one from each cache).

- Note 1 -
This means on :
A BAD run you will get only 1 Fragment of Val'anyr a week.
A NORMAL run you will get 2-4 Fragment of Val'anyr a week.
A GREAT RUN you will get 5+ (Max of 15) Fragment of Val'anyr a week.

Expect to spend between 4-31 weeks in here depending on your luck. I have seen Val'anyr, Hammer of Ancient Kings completed in as little as 5 weeks and as much as 18 weeks.

- Note 2 -
Activating Hard Mode on General Vezax and Flame Leviathan is not worth the time / energy / Wipes due to stupid people. Trade PUGS still wipe on Hard mode Flame Leviathan and many will leave after one wipe. Don't frustrate yourself and your raid, just kill them on "Normal". Every other bosses Hard mode can be zerged down.

- Note 3 -
For a quick run, you'll need at least 4-5 level 90 DPS. Any non cloth class can "tank" the bosses and for the most part you dont need a healer (only Hard Mode XT will test your survival skills if the DPS is low). The more DPS the better. The fastest I completed a run was in 30 minutes with 12 DPS. No boss lived for more than 30 secs.

- Note 4 -
When forming your group be sure to inform all raid members that all Fragment of Val'anyr are reserved and if the run will do all the Meta achievements. If you can not full up the raid with guild members, a message formatted like this in /2 (trade) will work :

LFM ULDAR 25 Transmog / Achievement / Mount run. This is NOT a Meta run however we will get most of them. Fragment of Val'anyr are reserved. Mimiron's Head is NOT reserved and will/can be rolled on.

This will stop messages from people asking about the Fragment of Val'anyr, if its a Meta run and It will inform everyone that all Fragment of Val'anyr will be going to you. (Thanks Saqib for the Mount tip)

- Note 5 -
Fragment of Val'anyr CAN NOT BE TRADED AFTER THEY ARE LOOTED. GMs may be able to trade it to you if a PUG troll rolls on it but I wont count on it. Be sure to remind your group at each boss that EACH and EVERY Fragment of Val'anyr are reserved and they NEED to PASS on them or they will be REMOVED from the group. If a player(s) starts needing on them, Removed them from the group or set it on Masterloot. PUG asshats will usually attempt to ninja the Fragment of Val'anyr from Yogg-Saron (or Algalon the Observer who ever you do last), It may be safer to switch it to Masterloot on the last Boss.

Good luck

Comment by Minigunner

Has anyone tried using this at 90 as a paladin tank? I am thinking it will be more useful for some fights than others, but if the 200k cap on the bubble is factual then the amount of self healing we do with seal of insight and eternal flame could give us an extra 100-200k EH for 15 seconds every 45 seconds? I'd personally like to see Theck take this on, but if anyone else has I would love to see the numbers.

Comment by Minigunner

Can confirm that this mace still only stacks to 20000 shield max. Unfortunately... Someone said it was stacking to 200,000. It does not.

Comment by Achooah

Just got this weapon today. After months of farming I finally got 30 fragments and threw the hammer into Yogg-Saron. The fragments have a low drop rate of around 10-15% with an increased chance if you do the hard mode on the bosses. Doing the hardmode on Yogg-Saron doesn't increase the chance of a fragment dropping from him since he already has a 100% drop chance. The fragments ONLY drop on 25 mode. On a bad day you are looking at 1-2 fragments, on a good day 3-5 fragments, and on a great day you are looking at 6-9 fragments.

After you aqquire all of the required fragments you are given a quest item to give it to the archivum console after the assembly of iron boss. It tells you to throw it into Yogg-Saron when he casts Bellowing Roar. Once you do that he will get a debuff saying you threw the fragments in him. Kill him and loot the hammer. Only you will see and be able to loot your hammer. Remember that at least one helper has to NOT be helping which means you cannot have four keepers helping you. Go back to the archivum and turn in your quest to loot your hammer of bragging.... Oh i mean your hammer of wasted time healing. Good luck on getting your hammer!

EDIT: why is this getting downvoted? it's informational.

Comment by Ivira

Just as a test I tried this item at level 90 with full SoO HC gear in wing one of SoO LFR. As a holy priest it did 11.1% of my healing, or 33.16M in total over all the bosses and trash.

Not a bad result for an item level 245 hammer!

Comment by goober2049

In case anyone is wondering, getting these pieces at level 100 is simple. I randomly decided to go run Ulduar with a level 97 demonology warlock (yes, I realize she can't use the legendary, I was just doing it for giggles) with questing blues/greens and destroyed everything on 25 man hard mode. At least the bosses that had a hard mode. Algalon tickles. Except the attack that launches you into the air. That actually hurts for a few moments until you heal back up.

The only problems I had were with Mimiron, due to initial problems with balancing my DPS in the final phase, and Yogg because I was being lazy and letting my pet do all the work for the tentacles once I was inside with his brain.

Mimiron can still hit pretty hard if you just try to go full turret and managed to bring me down to around 30% before I very quickly got it all back. You just have to move a little bit every now and again.

Yogg I just had to make sure I avoided looking at the skulls inside his brain while I dropped a DoT on each tentacle, which would kill them off fast enough for me to one cycle his brain. For some reason I wasn't losing ANY sanity as a Demo lock during the second phase before the portals opened up, which is weird because I initially walked into the fight as Destruction and was losing a lot of sanity.

The only other boss that can be annoying is Freya, but that's only because you need to kill at least one or two of the guardians to cut down on some of her healing. I just pulled everything (and I mean everything) and AoE'd the trash, then concentrated on guardians before taking her out.

Every other boss in Ulduar 25 man is trivial and I only have an average ilvl of 572. I do intend to raise that with apexis shard/crafted gear, but so far it's proven to be more than enough for the raids I've tried so far (with the obvious exception of 25 man ToC, because dat pvp fight).

Edited to fix some information.

Comment by Moriat

Drop rate of the fragments has been nerfed into oblivion. Back in MoP I farmed the mace on my paladin and even though a whopping 9 fragments got ninjaed in pugs I still managed to get the mace in a fairly quick time frame.

Things are a little bit different in WoD. On my priest I did 8 full 25/hardmode clears netting a total of 20 fragments. Ignoring Yogg Sarons guaranteed fragment drop I received roughly 1.5 fragments per clear or a measly 12 fragments from 104 bosses. The drop rate for fragments seems to be around 9% in 25/Hardmode.

I have no idea why blizzard nerfed the drop rate. Especially considering the fact that Ulduar can only be cleared once per week.

Comment by Amybelle

Finally! I have finished my Val'anyr, Hammer of Ancient Kings. The week after I received my Mimiron's Head. I shouldn't have been so nice in Wrath and passed on so many fragments.

At 100, just wait for the Defeating Roar and throw. I was in front of the boss when I threw it and there was no indication I actually hit it, except for the 20 second time on the fragments. Just hope for the best.

Comment by Toklovids

Sadly the absorb cannot proc from shaman healing totems.

Comment by X4R3H

Probably one of the easiest, if not the easiest legendaries to attain. Your only issue will be time (as you need to collect 30 Fragments and you're at least guaranteed one from Yogg I believe) and being the right class. Other than that, it's pretty much just throw at Yogg and get it. Highly surprised I don't see more of these around.
I'd also say the Fangs of the Father are similarly easy to get if you want some gorgeous, pretty unseen legendaries for your Rogue. Overall, I think this is a nice little bonus for soloing what is probably my favourite old raid.

Comment by shadowedscholar

When 6.2 comes out with timewalking dungeons this will be of great use because of that proc. And it's relatively easy to get, just time consuming.

So happy timewalking!

Comment by northfacetmz

Just had a question, can any class make this just for achievement sake?

Comment by kingcraw518

anyone having an issue with their guild not getting the achievement for this? just got it on my paladin and its the last legendary my guild needed for meta and didnt get credit for either

Comment by canisalbus

are we able to transmog this in 7.0.3 ? Because I can't find it on my shaman.. but my paladin earned it haven't had the time to go there yet.

Comment by stickshift

This is getting banked with my other legendarys for xmog 20 years from now when Blizz only has 40 subscribers left and they start taking drastic measures.

Comment by PixTron

Or can an item be transmogrified into this?

Comment by ijsselzichta

With Ulduar timewalking coming soon™ it appears that we're gonna get the same thing happening that the glaives of azzinoth had, meaning that if you have this item on a character and you cleare Ulduar timewalking you get to keep the appearance.

Comment by Wowhero111

How to get this legendary!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49xdiaZ7eOM

Comment by Swankey

Just wanted to post an update on this if anyone else is going back to complete old legendary chains in 2018. As of today, you can still complete the chain (on 10m reg mode), get personal and guild credit but you can NOT xmog any 1h to match its appearance.
~Enjoy

Comment by jackiejor

For anyone looking to do Herald of the Titans, with the stat squish in Battle for Azeroth bringing the Feat of Strength limit to item level 100, this and all versions of Quel'Delar are now usable with these raid groups.

Comment by Zlozla

Does this proc work at 120 level? Considering stat squish and item level in BFA, the question is can this mace be usable at least for one tier? Stats trade off for proc.

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Val'anyr, Hammer of Ancient Kings

Item Level 100
Binds when picked up

One-Hand	Mace

14 - 19 Damage	Speed 2.60

(6.52 damage per second)
+67 Intellect
+17 Stamina
+10 Critical Strike
+10 Haste
Durability 130 / 130

Equip: Your healing spells have a chance to cause Blessing of Ancient Kings for 15 sec allowing your heals to shield the target absorbing damage equal to 15% of the amount healed.
Requires Level 80
"The power of creation courses through this weapon."

Sell Price: 36 36 51

Players can win this item when selecting the following class specializations:

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Druid:
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