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Post by
Adamsm
And Orgrim was a monster. He led two genocidal wars against the Alliance. He's a bad guy, and Thrall continuing to worship him is another major diplomatic blunder on his part.Doomhammer did the best he could with what he had. And he never lead the Horde in the first war, that was Blackhand, learn your Warchiefs heh.
Post by
Skreeran
From what I've seen of the rank and file, most Orcs support Garrosh. Even Saurfang says so in his letter.
And Orgrim was a monster. He led two genocidal wars against the Alliance. He's a bad guy, and Thrall continuing to worship him is another major diplomatic blunder on his part.Well in Northrend the support Garrosh because it's mostly the Warsong clan that's working up there under Garrosh.
And Orgrim wasn't a monster, he's actually rather like Varian in his motivations for war.
1. He had to choose between the survival of the humans and the survival of his people. Besides, if he didn't fight the war, he'd just be kicked out of his position and another Blackhand would take his place. By dealing with the Shadow Council (except for Gul'dan, who
was
a mistake to leave alive), he at least gave the orcs a chance to escape the bloodlust and settle down on their conquered world.
2. He showed genuine care in LotC, avoiding unnecessary human casualties. And he freed his people from slavery. That's why he's worshiped.
Post by
Rankkor
you should know that if doomhammer had taken the reins of the horde sooner, the death-toll would had been averted by a large margin?
his only mistake was to trust on gul'dan, seriously, dark magic=no no.
but given the circunstances, he really was a hero to the orcish race, were it not for him the orcs would had probably self-destructed each other.
doomhammer never wanted a war on the first place, however by the time he was a warchief the war was started, and a simple sorry wasn't gonna make it stop.
so he continued by the only road avaliable, wich was to win the war, to save his people.
even when the war was lost, he still fought to the best interest of his people at heart.
if only he had taken the title of warchief sooner =( so much could had been avoided.
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451455
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Post by
Adamsm
what I find sad is that once more you find yourself at a lack of a proper argument to counter what I said.
boom, I just proved you that moonbrook fell a few years ago, long before varian was abducted, and instead of either accepting it like a mature person would, you once more resort to insults and flames, and of course dismissal.
then you wonder why you have pretty much only 1 friend on this entire forum.
Good job.
You god damn hypocrite, I have been trying for ever to have a peace full debate, and you always show up with your wall of text and spam. You did not prove &*!@, I just found it a waste of time to argue with someone who is hell-bent on thinking he is right about everything.
I don't have that many friends on this fourms, because I don't
try
. I don't spend my whole life here, because unlike you, I actually
have
one.
Yet your the one who think's he's actually Varian...... and were the sad ones sure
QFT
Yes, you guys are sad. You have never even looked up anything about Varian, and act like you do. I don't think I am Varian, you losers just can't get it through your head you lost.
I can not believe you STILL can not spell Stupid.
he's not smart enough to spell the word that best describes him
Yes, and you know so much about english.
(sorry about that, my bad, I apologize for the name-calling, and I take it back)
Screw you!
Every time I come on, I see this %^&* @#$%ing everywhere. Its always "Oh may godz, u tink u r Varian, o u stupid little varian-lover"
Go to Hell!
Got it.
Post by
HiVolt
And my written words are seen only by blind eyes... once again.
I guess being civil is out of the question in these threads.
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451455
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Post by
Rankkor
You did not prove &*!@, I just found it a waste of time to argue with someone who is hell-bent on thinking he is right about everything
actually I did proved that moonbrook fell several years ago, and posted lore sources that prove it, just because you don't wanna read them doesn't mean they are wrong, and BTW way to go editing my quote.
what I said was "instead of either adding lore-sources to prove your're rite, or admiting defeat like a man" and you deleted the first half.
I don't have that many friends on this fourms, because I don't try. I don't spend my whole life here, because unlike you, I actually have one
funny, having a wife, a kid, playing soccer with my pals on the park, don't automatically asume I spend 24/7 hours in here, because I don't.
the reason I got friends here is because I treat ppl with respect, and when I say something out of line I apologize.
can you say the same?
you losers just can't get it through your head you lost
You god damn hypocrite
Screw you!
Go to Hell!
charming.......
Post by
MasterOfDisguise
I'm locking this thread with a message that every participant of this thread should carefully read:
I realize that all of you are people with very strong opinions to express on subjects, so we do encourage you all to freely participate in them. However, when the discussion starts to become more heated, you need to remember that personal attacks will not accomplish anything other than turning the thread into a pile of horse poo.
With that said, you can debate on whatever subject you like all day, but the flaming needs to stay out. Otherwise you will be facing the wrath of not only my locking powers, but also my banhammer. And if you're setting here thinking "Thank goodness he's giving a warning to those schmucks," don't get cocky if you participated in this thread because this warning applies to
you
, too.
Be the bigger man and don't start any trouble. If someone is trying insinuate trouble, ignore it and report it. Don't let one person ruin an entire thread. While I'm not a big fan of locking threads with any as many replies as this one, I will do it if there's no other choice.
On a final note, since someone is probably gonna ask if this thread can be recreated, I'll go ahead and answer it. While I don't think it'll be a good idea, if you can manage to hold a debate without the name calling and senseless flaming, then by all means go ahead. Just keep in mind that the thread will be closed if the community proves that they can't handle it.
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