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Post by
Patty
Varian and Genetics discussion killed my Jaina thread too.
But seriously, it's like an overmilked cow - Varian needs to replenish milk supplies every now and then!
Post by
Skreeran
Never! We shall continue yanking on his overworked teats until we have had our fill of his precious milk!
Wait--
What?
Post by
taurenmoo812
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Notice you can't spell that line with the initials D A R K T O N
Just an observation.
Post by
Rankkor
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Notice you can't spell that line with the initials D A R K T O N
Just an observation.
HOLY CONSPIRACYS THEORYS BATMAN! O_O
Post by
Septimus
V
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Notice you can't spell that line with the initials D A R K T O N
Just an observation.
I fail to see a T in that sentence.
Post by
taurenmoo812
V
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Notice you can't spell that line with the initials D A R K T O N
Just an observation.
I fail to see a T in that sentence.
next to the O in other
Post by
Septimus
I now feel like a complete idiot.
Post by
Patty
I now feel like a complete idiot.
/clap
Seriously, let the discussion of King Chin rest, he has been more than milked, he has been put in a blender and liquidised. Then consumed. Then regurgitated and reconsumed several times.
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451455
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Post by
Skreeran
I now feel like a complete idiot.
/clap
Seriously, let the discussion of King Chin rest, he has been more than milked, he has been put in a blender and liquidised. Then consumed. Then regurgitated and reconsumed several times.But in all seriousness, I think Med'an could annihilate Varian if he had to (like if Varian tried to kill him or his mom again).
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451455
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Post by
Patty
V
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Notice you can't spell that line with the initials D A R K T O N
Just an observation.
So Deltarius, is this your defenition of "Me starting the bashing, and taruen giving into it"
It seems to me little he is begging for a fight.
It seems to me that you are, seeing as you want to try and prove Delterius wrong although you are proving his point by highlighting it and then making a snide remark. Ignore it and move on.
Post by
Rankkor
to this day, darkton (and by proxy the rest of the suporters of varian ) have not responded my eternal dillema.
I posted 2 good debatable questions about varian, that those who usually defend him have ignored.
so, again and again I'll repost it.
question 1:
most (not all) varian fans hate garona, and want varian to kill her, they consider her attack on theramoore to be the last straw, and consider her crimes unforgivable (actually, only 2 varian fans feel that way, as the rest of the varian fans I've seen actually forgive garona due to her unique situation)
my question was adressed to darkton, but if any varian fan wanna answer it on his place, feel free to do so.
Darkton, you utterly refuse to admit that garona is a victim here, claiming that the "i waz mind-controlled" excuse is not enough, that she should die, even when all her crimes were commited by a third party controlling her.
however, you forgive varian so easily when he made even worst mistakes.
varian was mind-controlled too, and during that mind-controll ,he neglected aid to the ironforge dwarves, this costed the lives of hundreds of dwarves on thandol span.
true varian didn't killed them himself, but he refused to send aid, wich inevitably ended up on their deaths (his other half ended up saving the thandol span, but the damage was done already, hundreds of dwarves lost their lives thanks to the neglectiveness of his other half)
not to mention that he refused to send aid to even his own kingdom, this caused the death of all of the inhabitants of Moonbrook, forcing the few survivors to form the "people's militia" to combat the threat that their king has ignored for so long.
likewise, the plp on duskwood had to form the nightwatch to combat the worgen thanks again to mister chin neglectiveness.
however, all of these crimes (it's his responsability to aid his plp, not to sit on his ass driking wine, kissing katrana's hand, and organizing feasts on the plp taxes) are all forgiven by you.
why? because varian did them all under a mind-controll spell, it was not his fault, if he wasn't under the mind controll he would had acted like a king should, and protect his people and allies.
so, bottom line, on your eyes: Garona mind-controlled=must die
varian Mind-controlled=na, he's cool forgive him.
why? what makes him special? why does the "i waz mind-controlled" excuse works for him and not garona?
and the second point you haven't responded yet about varian is this:
this dialog marks just how narrowminded varian is:
aparently he has the right to make any acusation he wishes against the horde, without any kind of proof to prove he's right.
but when a horde member in the trial of the crusader does the same
Treacherous Alliance dogs! You summon a demon lord against warriors of the Horde! Your deaths will be swift!
aparently he feels offended.
Our honor has been besmirched! They make wild claims and false accusations against us. I demand justice!
I believe that he believes that he IS allowed to make wild claims and false acusations
(such as atempted assassination on a peace meeting just because one of the assassins was an orc)
but the horde is not allowed to do the same
(acuse the alliance of consorting with demons to exterminate the horde, just because that idiot fizzlebang was a gnome)
why is that? again why is he the exeption?
why is he allowed to make baseless acusations and wild claims against us, but others are not allowed to do the same agaisnt him?
these 2 reasons play a heavy part on why I dislike him, and to this day not a single varian fan has been able to wield a valid argument against these 2 points.
thus I remain the victor till someone brave enough (and smart enough) wields a logic that can trumple this 2 proven facts of what I call "Varian Hypocresy"
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Post by
Skreeran
However, I do hold Garona responsible for that, and Varian's enscrollment costed no one thier lives. Thandol Span was ordered to be left abandoned. If Varian did half of what Garona did in terms of treason, I would not like him.Redridge and Lakeshire presumably lost many lives to the Blackrock orcs without aid from Stormwind. Duskwood lost many as well to worgen and undead without aid from Stormwind. Westfall lost many, many people to the Defias without aid from Stormwind.
I'd say those lives are worth being counted.
The problem I have here is that you and Skreeran both once said Varian has every right to kill Garona.I don't remember that, and if I did, surely it was before I found out that she had been mind-controlled since birth. Now, knowing what happened, that she had absolutely no control over her actions and also showed extreme remorse, I'd say that she does deserve to live.
As for the second thing, I am ok with Varian making an assumption because everytime he agrees to do somthing with the Horde, he or a loved one are almost assassinated... thats the simple verison. I don't care if some Varian hater wants to say "Oh plz, he only lost his life a few times! He needs to almost die at least 8 times before he can hate the Horde.", I don't really care. This is old news.Twice, once at the hands of his own people, hardly counts as a real representation.
In fact, if he did his research, he'd find that the Horde was responsible for neither event.
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451455
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Post by
Adamsm
Arthas had no control of his actions, and yet, everyone just says "So what? Is guy caused to much damage.".Wow... you have no clue do you? Arthas walked his own path of destruction; from Stratholme to attacking his friend in a desperate bid for power. Frostmourne merely took his soul, after that point, it was Arthas's own twisted mind leading the charge.
Garona never had control of herself; she was literally raised to be a slave and servant of the Shadow Council. Yes she did evil things while under her control, and unfortenately, one of them was killing Llane, and she regrets that.
You ask the Lich King if he regrets anything either of the minds in his body have done and he'd tell you no.
If you did some understanding and relating, you would find out that three peace meetings to let the same monsters who destroyed Stormwind live there is stupied.And there you go, comparing the Old Horde to the New Horde, which, no matter how times it proven otherwise, you still don't believe.
You know what's actually funny here? Frostwolves and Warsong are two of the main clans that make up the New Horde, and they had nothing to do with the sacking of Stormwind, so it's not even the same monsters/clans. But hey, their orcs, so they must be evil, just like Varian is a human so everything the Defias, the Scourge, and the traitors of the Alliance have ever done means every person from Stormwind is evil.
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