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The Ultimate Threat-spec.
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Post by
Wikipedia
Wouldnt this be the most rewarding threat spec for tankadins?
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sMZV0xA0ughsIubdxf0hbc
It has Crusade, Reckoning and 2 points in SotP.
I know that paladins dont suffer the same threat problems as warriors and the other tank classes, but it might be nice to drag the threat a bit further.
Post by
Proky
reckoning is s*h*i*t tallent, i think that you can put that 2 points from SotP to sancity of battle, because it affects all attacks and higher damage with exorcism? YEAH
i think this spec is good and if you dont like divine sacrifice put that 3 points in someone else
shiet forget to link that talents :(
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161859
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Post by
Murrdurr
Are you really tanking without
Shieldof the Templar
?
I was thinking the same thing when I was looking at his build.
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319923
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Post by
Dunsinane
0/51/20
is currently the maximum threat spec for tankadins.
Yes, you are giving up JotJ for 2/3 Sanctity of Battle.
Yes, you're taking 3/5 Reckoning (it's the only threat filler talent in the top of the Prot tree).
No, you're not even looking at the Holy tree.
And no, it probably isn't worth it.
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Post by
Dunsinane
a) The question is maximum threat, not maximum group dps ;-)
b) There's nothing preventing a warrior, feral druid, or DK from maintaining the debuff
c) I'd pull those two points out of Ardent Defender, but minimums at each tier prevent it and everything else (except SotT - FAT CHANCE) has a threat component
Post by
Wikipedia
1. This is not my spec, just one I found.
2. The
Templar
spec can be taken with the points from
JotJ
.
3. Dont play with the 969 rotation so that doesnt matter for me.
4. This is like the
UA build
for warriors, more threat and less survivability.
5. Actually been thinking about moving all the way down to
Vengeance,
but that might push the limit a bit to for.
6. Sure
Reckoning
isnt viable for most specs, but in this case threat is focused.
7.
SA
isnt needed with the
GbtL
spec.
Post by
svirve
1. This is not my spec, just one I found.
You are promoting it thus in the public eye it is
your
spec.
3. Dont play with the 969 rotation so that doesnt matter for me.
Why are you trying to get a max-threat build when you're not applying a max-threat playstyle?
Sounds like trying to catch rabbits in a birdsnest.
5. Actually been thinking about moving all the way down to
Vengeance,
but that might push the limit a bit to for.
Sacrificing HotR is going to hurt your TPS incredibly much.
6. Sure
Reckoning
isnt viable for most specs, but in this case threat is focused.
Assuming you have 50% avoidance (very reasonable number) your reckoning uptime is going to be 20% assuming you never ever have it double proc. If your white hits hit for perhaps 400? that means an increase in TPS of 80. And this is if you're expertise and hit capped. So say perhaps a realistic value of 50 TPS from reckoning and that's going to decrease as you get better gear and more avoidance.
7.
SA
isnt needed with the
GbtL
spec.
In your build perhaps since you're going to take so much more damage than a normal tank.
But in any normal build you'll want to have 1/2 SA in order to keep your mana up.
Edit: Fixed quoting
Post by
Squishalot
Gah, IE crashed on me and lost my post and spec.
Anyway, the ultimate Threat-spec would be a bog standard Retribution spec with Righteous Fury turned on. Spend your 'spare' points on Parry, Dodge and Imp Righteous Fury to turn it into a token tank. Pick up DK style tanking items, a two handed weapon with lots of stam and hit, and lots of parry rating and dodge rating.
My point is, if you're going to be sacrificing survivability and utility so badly for threat, then what's the point?
Post by
Wikipedia
quotes
I tried the 969 rotation but i think my works better.
In my normal spec I do use 1/2 in SA
Gah, IE crashed on me and lost my post and spec.
Anyway, the ultimate Threat-spec would be a bog standard Retribution spec with Righteous Fury turned on. Spend your 'spare' points on Parry, Dodge and Imp Righteous Fury to turn it into a token tank. Pick up DK style tanking items, a two handed weapon with lots of stam and hit, and lots of parry rating and dodge rating.
My point is, if you're going to be sacrificing survivability and utility so badly for threat, then what's the point?
That might be true.
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Post by
Wikipedia
Dont have threat problem, dont have any problem at all. Just wanted to check if paladins could have a similar spec to warriors UA spec.
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270623
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Post by
Wikipedia
Reckoning is a piece of &*!@ and dont provide a significant amount of threat. Better remove the 5 points on there and invest in Seal of the Pure. Another thing, if u want a lot of threat, JotJ isnt the talent u must spent 2 points.
That wont work, since you need those points to reach further down in the prot tree. And thats the only threat spec can you can choose from at that point.
Post by
svirve
I tried the 969 rotation but i think my works better.
Sure it might work better for you, but that doesn't mean it's going to give you more threat.
969 with as/exo sub is
the
best way to produce threat against single target as well as multi target pulls.
There's not really much to debate about using your cooldowns as effectively as possible is going to give you the most threat.
I see the general point of this trying to get a warrior typ UA build but unless you're going deep ret (like squishalot said) there's really not much you can do.
Post by
Synectics
I think you're trying to fix something that isn't broke.
First: Protadins are not BETTER than Warrior tanks -- they're different. That said, my understanding has always been that Protadins can hold threat in a much more stable fashion than Warrior tanks; Warriors have a much more involved feel, while Protadins lay down Consecrate and swing through their rotation without much hassle. It's part of the design, and is a reason we don't need a special Threat spec.
Now, if you're just a fail tank? You'll lose threat. If you have overgeared DPS? They might pull threat off of you, and in that situation, it's the DPS's fault for not watching their threat, knowing that they're outgearing you (see: fresh 80 tank in his first Heroic with a 3k DPSer).
This seems to me like a case of PvP Prot Healing spec. It's a fun concept, but it's just not going to work as well as we hope, especially when there's nothing wrong with what we already have.
:D
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84594
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Post by
Squishalot
Go deep holy, heal, and turn Righteous Fury on? 2.43 multiplier on threat on your Holy Light crits every 3 seconds - let's see anyone steal aggro from that then! (Do overheals cause threat?)
It's not comparable to 'let's get more horsepower', it's a case of 'let's build a car that can run at 450km/h, rather than 425km/h. It's the excess that you're not ever going to notice.
The OP's talent spec is the car with heatproof flotation bags - you'll only need it if you land in hot water. Or in our situation, in the horribly rare case that you won't be able to hold threat. And in the meantime, it doesn't come with airbags for general use.
As for the spec you're suggesting - wouldn't it make more sense to take the point out of Vengeance and put it into Avenger's Shield (3% vs a glyphed AS, that's around 2500 damage, or 80 dps)? You're going to have an excess of GCDs without HotR that you can spare to launch a shield - you'll increase dps by having glyphed AS in there, and you'll skew the damage more towards holy (rather than mix of holy and white), thus increasing threat.
Given that HotR makes up ~20% of the single target damage that a Prot pally normally does and is all Holy damage, I don't think that the extra 12% from Vengeance and Sanctified Retribution (mix of Holy and white) makes up the difference. Just putting the numbers behind your thoughts.
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