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So frost mages are really hard to play?
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Madmick
Unless they do something like Hand of Freedom, or, say, use a trinket. In that case, you just blew your Ice Veins and WE Freeze, and now have to Cold Snap to get everything back. Maybe you could do it again, maybe they'll counter again. In which case, good luck staying alive until all that #$%^ cools down, and you have enough burst damage again to take out your opponent.
This thread is turning into hypothetical PvE rotation discussion.
I love control, but the precondition of control for meaningful damage is beyond my skill level to play, right now. I'm not saying I haven't seen mages own with it, and that there aren't plenty of frost mages who own me in duels, but I'm saying it's harder to play. Until I've been PvPing a while I doubt I'll know all the classes and their specs well enough to know how to neutralize them with frost's abilities.
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StrangerWifCandy
Unless they do something like Hand of Freedom, or, say, use a trinket. In that case, you just blew your Ice Veins and WE Freeze, and now have to Cold Snap to get everything back. Maybe you could do it again, maybe they'll counter again. In which case, good luck staying alive until all that #$%^ cools down, and you have enough burst damage again to take out your opponent.
This thread is turning into hypothetical PvE rotation discussion.
It's still nice to dream of locking someone in a perfect 100%-0% kill scenario though isn't it?
Honestly though, I've only used my own suggest rotation at Dun Nifflheim and other world pvp hotspots, where it's very common to not wear a PvP trinket. Even then I can literally count on one hand how many times it's actually worked.
I love control, but the precondition of control for meaningful damage is beyond my skill level to play, right now. I'm not saying I haven't seen mages own with it, and that there aren't plenty of frost mages who own me in duels, but I'm saying it's harder to play. Until I've been PvPing a while I doubt I'll know all the classes and their specs well enough to know how to neutralize them with frost's abilities.This sounds about right. The more knowledge you have about game mechanics and about other classes, the better you are at playing a primarily defensively-offensive (in the sense that your offense comes from your good defense) spec and class, like a frost mage.
Not to say that it'll take LONG though, honestly, a good shortcut is to head over to WarcraftMovies and just start downloading PvP videos of every class, analyze their strategies against mages, and then come up with your own counter! Get creative!
Or, you can look at only mage pvp videos, but I feel like it's a bad thing to restrict yourself to only one point of view.
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StrangerWifCandy
No, it doesn't matter when you drop the freeze. Enough haste will drop your GCD low enough so that you can get an extra spell in before Ice Lance hits the target. Hence the use of the Triple Shatter in TBC. (Freeze + Frostbolt + Ice Lance + Ice Lance)
Edit: The issue here is that once Ice Lance hits the target, your Nova is breaking regardless on when you timed the Freeze.
Hmm, at my latency, this sounds impossible. Even with 100% haste, lowering the GCD to the lowest it can go, 1 second, that's still enough time for the IL+FB to hit, breaking the freeze.
Unless neither crit, then I have enough % damage left to squeeze in another shatter bonus IL.
(Also, I've never seen a triple shatter in TBC)
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