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MagisterSJHC
Ok, question here from someone who is not a priest himself. Yesterday on Marrowgar we failed, mainly due to the healing failing (and admittedly, some tards standing in fire too long). We had a healadin, disc priest and a druid. The druid was raid healing, the healadin and the priest on the tanks.
However, we failed to kill Marrowgear, mostly because the tanks kept dying. Every time the pally was spiked, the tanks died soon after. And yes, at the start the tank sometimes got separated, but that was not happening on the later wipes.
So we checked the healing, and the fact that tanks kept dying each time the pally was incapacitated triggered us to check the healing of the disc priest especially. Recount showed the pally doing 4K Hps on average, the druid 3K Hps and the priest doing 1,2K HPS. He blamed the low numbers on the Recount.
Now I know that recount does not show the damage prevented by PW:S, but 1,2K still looks kind of low to me. The dsc priest is fully T9 geared, and his gems, enchants and specc show nothing out of the ordinary.
My question: can Recount really hide that much healing (or damage prevented) or was the priest just failing and covering up by blaming Recount. I am just asking because I really don’t know, so I would like to hear it from disc priests themselves.
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MagisterSJHC
Thanks already.
Also you mentioning these spells helps too, because that is something that can be checked in Recount. If I see those spells I know a bit more at least.
And yeah, this group was probably made of too many ppl failing (the other raid group made it to Deatwhisper at least) and we are a pretty casual guild. Just trying to figure out who were failing here.
Post by
maverikku
Im never one to rely on recount to judge a disc priest....but all that gear and still only 1.2 HPS? That is low.
There's only so much shielding you can do if you're soley responsible for 2 targets. He needs to be spamming his flash heal / prayer of mending / penance / renew like they were going outta style.
You can check his mana pool for a *quick* glance at whether he's doing anything outside of shielding.
But again, without more info... like combat logs... it's hard to say if he was just bad or not.
Post by
karlusdavius
OK.
Yes recount is not great at looking at what disc does, but you can't hide behind that fact if you suck all the time. 1.2k HPS even for a discipline priest is low. He obviously wasn't pulling his weight and hid behind the fact that it's hard to see what we do.
i can pull 2k hps on tanks atm. Your disc priest obviously wasn't doing his job right.
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maverikku
Priest: Priority on keeping tanks shielded and healed, help the Druid with raid heals by PW:Sing people who stand in the fire and maybe Renew them too. Extra healing on raid if absolutely necessary only. Should keep his Power Infusion CD for himself and Pain Suppression CD for the tanks in case the Pally gets spiked.
I like to use PI on caster dps, outside of heroism of course.
tl;dr: If looking at Recount to see what healer failed after a wipe, look at the Deaths tab, not the Healing Done tab, especially if you're looking at a Disc Priest's efficiency. Remember numbers for an entire fight won't tell you who failed in the crucial 5-10 seconds that lead to the tank's death. Make sure healers know their assignments/priorities/assigned area.
Sound advice with the Deaths tab. But, just a small side note.... my renew does something like 500hps. So, if all I did was renew the two tanks Id be nearly matching his HPS... So you cant hang a disc priest by recounts numbers, but you can certainly tell when something isnt right. If he was losing focus to heal the raiders standing in fire it should be evident by a higher HPS...
MagisterSJHC, perhaps you could ask your disc priest to hop onto the forums...maybe he needs some pointers for his spec?
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maverikku
Overhealing doesnt affect recounts raw HPS count, does it?
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maverikku
Interesting. Never really looked into it beyond a mere glance, tbh. I keep recount to track fail dps, deaths, and interrupters. ;)
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MagisterSJHC
Ok, we went back there today with 2 new healers (we didnt kill him first time, so were not saved), and needed two tries only: one to learn (for the new people) and one to kill.
Although I can't prove it on Recount, this particular Disc priest just is fail...
But thanks to everyone here who took the time and effort to explain and clarify.
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