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Official Warlock Cataclysm Thread
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Post by
fuhrerschein
wow yeah that 4pc is phenomenally bad
hope they'll change it before release
Post by
asakawa
I'm fairly confident they will but we ought to expect the first tier bonuses of an expansion to be a little lacklustre, especially coming from the last tier in an expansion, to allow space to grow into.
Post by
USMCDiablo
If you get the automatic crit is there any chance that the DPET of fel flame would make it worth casting?
How will Tier10 last into cataclysm? The four piece bonus translates to a percentage DPS increase which compared to the Tier11 is awesome. How long will it last into the expansion? I realize you'd be losing a lot of stats by using old gear, but a ~7% increase in damage from the four piece is nothing to scoff at. If only more conquerer tokens dropped ^_^
Post by
asakawa
The steep increase in stats on gear and steep increase in combat ratings are tuned specifically to get you out of those items WELL before you reach a level 85 raid (before level 85 quest gear if they've done it right). If that doesn't prove to be the case then blizzard will fix it.
A couple of things have occurred to me recently.
The current glyphs are pretty terrible. are we expecting more do we think?
Demo currently uses SB as its main nuke because Incinerate requires Emberstorm or Molten Core to be as good/better than SB. The EU's PTR is a bit of a mess so i'd be interested to hear from anyone on the PTR about the relative damage of SB and Incinerate in patch 4.0.
Molten Core will proc from SB instead of Corruption but it's proc rate will be less overall than we're used to. I just wonder, if Incinerate does better DPET than SB generally will the MC procs from SB be enough to make SB worth casting at all? With the state of the glyphs would 5% from an incinerate glyph actually pull it ahead?
I just worry that demo isn't being given enough reason to use its shadow spells currently but perhaps I'm missing something important.
Post by
Metalfenrir
If i have time I will compare Incinerate and Shadowbolt on the PTR tomorrow morning.
But I do agree about the glyphs, none of them stand out. I wouldn't say they are terrible, rather they don't have an spec that they are specifically aimed at. Quick example, I could see Demo locks grabbing the Corruption Prime glyph once we hit higher levels of haste, thus increasing the amount of procs we see.
The Felguard glyph does seem rather lack luster compared to the current live version. Then again, the Felguard on PTR/Beta is even moar buff then the live version, perhaps the underwhelming glyph is in place to keep demo locks away from exclusively using the felguard in raiding environments.
Also, I am a complete retard, I can't seem to get my recount to work on the PTR? Suggestions?
Edit for Captcha: institutional binizin >_>
Post by
DraconisAerius
Makes me wonder if Fel Flame is going to get changed again to make it more desireable to cast.
Post by
darkdog
Anyone else feel like demon soul is pretty meh for destro locks.
Post by
asakawa
It's not great but remember that it feels worse from our current perspective with our relatively high crit rates. When we reach 85 the combat rating inflation will leave us with much lower crit chances so it might feel a bit better at that point... not a lot better but a bit perhaps.
Post by
Fingulfin
Makes me wonder if Fel Flame is going to get changed again to make it more desireable to cast.
I can say with good confidence that it will not. It fulfills its purpose; a low DPET ability to use while moving. People really need to stop thinking of ways to justify casting fel flame when not on the move... It has a purpose, and it suites that purpose quite nicely just the way it is. What needs to be changed is that absolutely terrible set bonus.
Anyone else feel like demon soul is pretty meh for destro locks.
I wholly agree... Seems like nothing more than an ability to hit on CD. Besides, my action bars are running out of space...
Also, I am a complete retard, I can't seem to get my recount to work on the PTR? Suggestions?
Perhaps I am retarded as well, but I thought addons were currently disabled on the PTR? Did they change that?
EDIT: Yep, I'm retarded. Looks like they have been enabled since the 31st of August...
Post by
Metalfenrir
Also, I am a complete retard, I can't seem to get my recount to work on the PTR? Suggestions?
Perhaps I am retarded as well, but I thought addons were currently disabled on the PTR? Did they change that?
EDIT: Yep, I'm retarded. Looks like they have been enabled since the 31st of August...
I was also under the impression addons were disabled. But since 4.0.1 went on PTR everyone is running around forums pumping out numbers for their DPS, leading me to believe recount could be used. I'll have to look at it more closely this weekend, I would like get a grasp of what Demo is shaping up to be when 4.0.1.
I swear if it botches my chances at getting Bane (LK HC 10 not the talent) I will be very upset
Post by
DraconisAerius
I was also under the impression addons were disabled. But since 4.0.1 went on PTR everyone is running around forums pumping out numbers for their DPS, leading me to believe recount could be used. I'll have to look at it more closely this weekend, I would like get a grasp of what Demo is shaping up to be when 4.0.1.
I swear if it botches my chances at getting Bane (LK HC 10 not the talent) I will be very upset
Has recount been updated for 4.0.1? If not that could be why it doesn't work?
Post by
Metalfenrir
.......
I didn't load out of date add ons.
v.v
Post by
Metalfenrir
I noticed something very, very important.
Soul fire is still 6 second cast time on PTR......
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
From what I tested, its currently more effective to ignore decimation.
Post by
LookOut
nononononono.... Recasting your DoTs altogether is better DPS than casting Fel Flame. Why can't people understand this =S
Because it either wasn't mentionned here yet, or it was mentionned on a page I didn't check due to it being weekend (ah the irony ^_^)
This is why T11 4 Piece is so phenomenally bad: it buffs a spell that we will NEVER use as part of a rotation. I'm not saying that we won't use it, good locks will definitely use it when forced to move. What I'm saying is that you should stop looking at it as a DoT refresher and think of it as "what I can now do while moving when I don't need to life tap".
I understand now. In current content there have been moments where I had nothing to cast, I had all my dots still up and Just lifetapped (usually running to the boss for metashift, or rotty's debuff, you know the drill). Maybe refresh corruption as well or something, even though it's still running? Anywho, Fel Flame will be another thing to cast when not being able to stand still, I see that now.
I thought it at least did higher damage than immo's DD part. Then again, I'm here to learn, so mission accomplished :D
Post by
darkdog
Makes me wonder if Fel Flame is going to get changed again to make it more desireable to cast.
I can say with good confidence that it will not. It fulfills its purpose; a low DPET ability to use while moving. People really need to stop thinking of ways to justify casting fel flame when not on the move... It has a purpose, and it suites that purpose quite nicely just the way it is. What needs to be changed is that absolutely terrible set bonus.
Anyone else feel like demon soul is pretty meh for destro locks.
I wholly agree... Seems like nothing more than an ability to hit on CD. Besides, my action bars are running out of space...
Also, I am a complete retard, I can't seem to get my recount to work on the PTR? Suggestions?
Perhaps I am retarded as well, but I thought addons were currently disabled on the PTR? Did they change that?
EDIT: Yep, I'm retarded. Looks like they have been enabled since the 31st of August...
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/712372-Ret-pally-vs.-Warlock
^
Post by
v3rgil
uuum what does nether ward do?
Post by
asakawa
what does it do...?
Nether Ward
does exactly what it says on the tin, turning
this
into
this
.
Also interacts with the new
Nether Protection
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sarcastic comments better when actually also informative >.<
Post by
Fingulfin
Nether Ward
Pretty much makes your shadow ward absorb any kind of spell damage instead of just shadow.
Post by
DraconisAerius
I had been wondering about that, mostly because the tooltip for the talent is useless if you want to know what the spell actually does.
Post by
asakawa
...But, surely wondering leads to typing in "nether ward" to Wowhead, no?
"hmm, it says that it turns shadow ward into nether ward. I know what shadow ward is so why don't I look up nether ward to see what that does?" etc.
I just can't understand the thought process that says "I don't know something so I'll just post to the Wowhead forum and let someone else look it up for me"
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