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Mutilate Vs Combat - something i couldnt solve with a spreadsheet
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Post by
Alvida
Ive been playing my 80 night elf rogue as mutilate for most of wotlk, but i feel as if i cant break 3k dps even with the gear that i have right now. I have 4/5 Tier 7.5gear, and Fury of the five flights and Grim toll..ect... but i have 2 daggers that are about 145 dps each i have a 1.8 speed in mainhand and 1.5 in offhand. Ive tried to look at spreadsheets, but i cant find anything that can compare my mutilate spec to a combat spec if i had the same caliber weapons. Im planning on getting greed for my main hand and keeping my 1.5 speed dagger if i switch to combat. My question is, will my dps increase by a significant ammount if i change to combat spec? Also i will gem my gear so that im atleast 99 hit rating(currently 267) and i will also cap my expertiece, which is easier done with combat spec.
I honestly tried using spreadsheets for 3.1, but they only show weapons that are 163ish dps + with the exception of webbed death.
I would love it if someone gave me some useful information.
And yes i have read all the stickies, and i've even gone to the eletist jerks website. I just cant find a good spreadsheet that would give me more options.
I would highly appreciate it if someone would put a link up that shows a current spreadsheet with a large variety of weapons and armors. and hopefully a talent spec portion in the spreadsheet.
I have also gone to shadowpanther.net to get a good idea of what the weapons/gear rank.
Almost forgot my armory link(please dont tell me that i have my gear gemmed wrong,... i'm not going to bother with it until i figure out which spec would be better.)
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dragonmaw&n=Alvida
oh yea i noticed i have firesoul as my mainhand... my weapons are knife of incision with mongoose on mainhand and omen of ruin on offhand with the same enchant.
For those lazy people who don't want to read my wall of text here is a summary.
1. Which spec is better if your weapons are the same dps Combat or mutilate
2. Instead of telling me to go use a spreadsheet, just give me a link to the spreadsheet you use. preferably with naxx 10 / heroics gear for 3.1
Thank you for your time.
And this is my first post on wowhead so I hope y'all will treat me nicely, because i dont want to make this a bad experience for anyone =)
Post by
AlphaQ
http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t37183-pocket_guide_wotlk_updated_3_1_a/
Unfortunately it excludes a lot of heroic and 10 man gear so you're going to have to manually edit those in. Shouldn't be too hard though...
Post by
Alvida
Thanks, I'm going to check that out. Hopefully i can figure out how to fill it in manually. It gives me something to do while the servers are down.
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Post by
AlphaQ
I think I know the problem to your dps. I think getting near 3k dps is AMAZING with that sword there as mutilate spec. How did casters let you get it?
Clearly he does not use that sword to DPS with. I'm almost certain he got the sword because no one else in the 10 man wanted it.
Post by
esog
How come u cant do at least the same dps... i dont get it.
With that gear u should do more with combat than mutilate, but req more working and thinking during fights.
to answer ur question, yes combat is higer dps than mutilate,
at least in my opinion, at least I do... must be something wrong with ur rotation?or specc?
Muti specc is very dependent on Dots and combat is not.
btw u have suprising low crit...and its like 1 of the most important things concerning combat (again, my opinion) :S
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Post by
Alvida
Well Ive been playing mutilate for a long time, and i think i need to try out combat and see how i do. From what I've read the combat rotation seems a lot easier than the mutilate one was.
Post by
blackmarquetbaby
to answer ur question, yes combat is higer dps than mutilate,
at least in my opinion, at least I do... must be something wrong with ur rotation?or specc?
Muti specc is very dependent on Dots and combat is not.
btw u have suprising low crit...and its like 1 of the most important things concerning combat (again, my opinion) :S
OPINION:TRUTH AS GUESS:EXPERIMENT
The more informed the former, the more useful it is to formulating the latter.
this, among many of the above posts are unfortunately poorly informed.
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Post by
Alvida
Yeah it looks like combat is a lot easier than mutilate, at least for me. I also switched to combat like 2 weeks ago and I'm breaking 3.8k dps on heroics. What I really love is the single target dps being high and the aoe. Makes me be the 1st in damage done in raids :D
In my opinion, there are fights in which combat does more dps and others where mutilate does more. I would pick combat for the easier rotations and about the same damage. But also it's a question of your weapons. If you have better mutilate weapons you will do more dps and vice versa for combat. This weapon question is common sense and you should stick to mutilate or combat until you get better weps for each spec, unless you feel that the dps drop isn't too much.
Thanks for the information, could you post your armory link? id like to have as many people to compare to as i can. It helps me see what i might be doing wrong.
Post by
blackmarquetbaby
if you have combat weapons (excluding backstab builds*) you simply CAN NOT perform with mutilate....
and again, see my post above.... the one with the analogy comparisons.
*see bootspurrs backstab analysis. Can't find link
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Post by
Alvida
Well I've finished making the spreadsheet and it says that i will have an estimated dps of 5.5k. That seems a bit odd. Ive checked all the variables and even added in the gear that wasn't there. It seems odd that i would jump 2.5k dps just by switching to Combat spec. Is there something that i'm missing here?
and when i opened up the spreadsheet the estimated dps was at some ridiculous amount like 8k. So I'm not entirely sure if this spreadsheet is credible.
Well i'm going to check up on this again and see if i found something i missed.
Post by
AlphaQ
Your analogy is flawed.
If there are arguably 2 of "the best" specs...for the sake of argument let's say Combat is the same/similar DPS to Mutilate...
Then an opinion can be based on experiment where you have based your decision on personal preference.
Post by
Alvida
The Mutilate rotation is something many people don't do correctly. And, second, it's nearly impossible to do it right without an addon like EventHorizon to monitor your poison ticks. The trick to successful Mutilate DPS is pooling your energy and timing your envenoms to come right after a tick of Deadly Poison.
If you do it right and have a bit of lucky, you can get in two Mutilates while you have the Envenom buff. Mutilate involves truly incessant clock-watching. If you don't keep your Rupture up and watch those ticks and pool your energy, your DPS is going to suffer a great deal.
Combat has, essentially, only two imperatives: keep Slice and Dice active and keep Rupture active. You Eviscerate if you have the combo points and the energy for it, but you can skip it and still push ludicrous DPS. As far as I've read, Mutilate still holds the aggregate lead in DPS. But, that's in a very sterile environment. It's been my personal experience that most players will underperform with Mutilate.
When I began doing it right, PvE Mutilate became very tedious and I really didn't enjoy it. Facets of the game that require me
monitor invisible ingame forces (like when DoTs tick) to maximize my utility don't really make me happy. Give Combat a whirl. Most likely your DPS will improve significantly.
Edit: Left out a .
Wow that's about the most useful information I've gotten all day. The servers are up and I'm going to give combat a try, but ill have to run Culling of stratholme to get greed.
Post by
blackmarquetbaby
Your analogy is flawed.
If there are arguably 2 of "the best" specs...for the sake of argument let's say Combat is the same/similar DPS to Mutilate...
Then an opinion can be based on experiment where you have based your decision on personal preference.
Do you mean:
If we query an experiment based upon different formulations of the same constants
than we can show the output of either formulation.
If the concluded output is approximately equal, then our choice as to which formulation to use must be based on personal opinion?
please clarify
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