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Instant Cyclone ... godly
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Post by
Kramp
Enjoy it while you can, it WILL be nerfed.
I tried it on my feral druid, that talent is truly OP.
We are talking about Instants CCs every 10-15 seconds. I did some skirmishes with a rogue. Every games was won by sitting on a target and /focus cyclone or /focus root when the proc was up.
It's just so easy to win like this, it's not funny.
Possible nerf scenarios:
- PS will only affect healing spells.
- PS proc will have a CD.
- PS procs will be lowered.
It's even more powerful that the old Warrior Juggernaut and God knows how fast it was nerfed.
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Post by
Lightrain
IDK if it's going to be nerfed or not. I guess it all just depends on if there is suddenly a massive influx of feral druids in arena. Considering that feral is one of the lowest represented classes in arena, it's hard to say if it will be nerfed or not.
I think worst case, they put a "this effect can't happen more than once every 10 seconds" type of restriction on it.
Until then, I'm gonna love squeezing every bit use of it! =)
Post by
Kaitain
A reasonable nerf would be that the instant nature spell IS your finishing move.
OP?
I doubt that somehow. Considering every other class currently has some form of "OP" spell against them, shaman wolf heals, bubble priests, stunning mages, unescapable DKs spamming CoI, druid HoTs and even more that Ive missed, this talent change is but a drop in the ocean.
~Yunaleia
Some (most) of these comparisons are really stupid.
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Post by
Kaitain
OP?
I doubt that somehow. Considering every other class currently has some form of "OP" spell against them, shaman wolf heals, bubble priests, stunning mages, unescapable DKs spamming CoI, druid HoTs and even more that Ive missed, this talent change is but a drop in the ocean.
~Yunaleia
Some (most) of these comparisons are really stupid.
Then please, dispense with the idiot style response and show me some examples of your own. Failing that, your post is baseless and further more, pointless.
I didn't specify why because I thought the reasons went without saying for most readers. The spells you list are not overpowered, unless you like to QQ instead of learning.
If you want an example of something that's overpowered in WotLK PvP I'd have to say Deadly Brew. The 3 most powerful debuffs in PvP applied and constantly re-applied on autohits, and due to the rate of application barely dispellable short of a full peel.
What you did was list a random bunch of PvP abilities and even included a few end of tree talents... Ferals had a really strong end of tree talent also last time i checked.
Any intelligent discussion about whether this talent is OP or not would have to revolve around the fact that there are few (no?) CC forms quite as absolute as cyclone. Cyclone is incredibly powerful as it is, I think we all know that, and when you remove it's cast time completely it's power is magnified. How many tactics revolve around not letting yourself be cycloned? Those tactics reward fast reactions and good awareness. To negate the skills of others is what leads to people thinking something is overpowered. They have skills they can't use, you have skill you don't need. That's the potential problem with it. How you compared this talent to shaman wolf heals boggles the mind.
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Kaitain
I didn't say it needed nerfing. I gave a possible way to nerf it which seems reasonable enough. You said it was Godly. Sort of implies gods vs mortals. So you're saying you think it is overpowered, but that ferals deserve an overpowered ability. You then listed some not particularly overpowered abilities other classes have that bear little or no relation to what we are talking about as justification, and i called you on it. Which you think makes me elitist. Good stuff.
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Kaitain
Other than your 1 comment, what or who am i looking down on? do tell.
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Post by
pelf
Instant cast Healing Touch or Regrowth? Crazy useful.
Not only do we not ever have to stop to drink -- now we also don't even have to stop to cast :).
Post by
Eleazer
I love the instant hits, however if you want to talk about what is in comparison too. Look at maelstorm used by shamans. It is very similar except they don't lose mana shifting forms. This buff reminded me of maelstorm, so if they are going to nerf this they would have to nerf maelstorm, and I don't see that happening. Remember that although it gives us an instant cyclone, the chance of it proccing is less than maelstorm, and it actually procs less often. The only difference between the two is that ours affects our CC, while the shamans version of it affects their damage and heals while not forcing them to change or alter any part of their attack.
Basically maelstorm is way better than our version of it. NERF MAELSTORM!
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Lightrain
I love the instant hits, however if you want to talk about what is in comparison too. Look at maelstorm used by shamans. It is very similar except they don't lose mana shifting forms. This buff reminded me of maelstorm, so if they are going to nerf this they would have to nerf maelstorm, and I don't see that happening. Remember that although it gives us an instant cyclone, the chance of it proccing is less than maelstorm, and it actually procs less often. The only difference between the two is that ours affects our CC, while the shamans version of it affects their damage and heals while not forcing them to change or alter any part of their attack.
Basically maelstorm is way better than our version of it. NERF MAELSTORM!
I disagree. Maelstorm requires a 5 stack to get an instant while we require 5 cp's. Shaman increase their damage or survivability same as paladins with Art of War procs, but it doesn't change their CC.
The reason it's
possibly
looking at a nerf very soon is the fact that it can be used for cyclone and roots, which will cause a lot of QQ as we will have much more access to our CC. Personally, I like it as I can finally get rogues off me since I don't have stomp. The bad is that if they control you too much, you still won't get to use it.
During zerker, you can use it a lot against most comps, which makes it a bit over powered IMO, but I'm not complaining...
The reason for the buff is warranted, and simply because all our defensive abilities require us to be in cat or bear form, meaning against higher rated comps, being in human form is very very dangerous and having to cast a cyclone against mage+rogue or a destro lock(and some very powerful DK's) is almost always a death wish.
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Eleazer
um, Lightrain, I was being sarcastic. Maelstorm is the closest representation of the way our instant works, they both require the same amount of either combo points or stacks and basically turn a damage/heal/cc cast into an instant cast. They are very comparable in terms of usage. In fact, my statement as to how maelstorm is better stands proven, so in what way did you disagree? Maelstorm is better because it buffs them without hurting them in any way. While ours is has a dangerous downside in that we have to leave cat or bear form to use the buff.
Therefore this brings into account that Maelstorm is better because there is no harm only benefit in using it. While there are both pro's and con's to using our instant cast. While our instant does allow for a CC, it requires us to stop dpsing and change to casting form which increases our ability to die or be cc'd. This would be like having the shaman change to ghost wolf every time he had to use maelstorm or forcing a shadow priest to leave shadow form in order to cast fear or a dk having to leave all presences in order to cast CoL, or every time a rogue used a CC it not only broke their stealth but prevented them from restealthing for 3 seconds, while also increasing the amount of damage they take while unstealthed, or removing a mages armor every time they sheeped, or killing the warlock's pet every time they feared. Not only would everyone be laughing at a CC that did that it would largely be considered broken. Instead we have people doing the reverse and claiming our instant CC is too powerful, even though the drawback for using it is huge.
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Lightrain
I'm not going to argue with you because we are basically saying the same thing in different context.
I'm just going to say that maelstorm and art of war are more similar, while I'm sure people will call this a NS without a CD. I agree it's very similar to maelstorm, the difference being we have a spamable CC, while neither of the other 2 do. This is the problem they will have with it.
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Eleazer
You are correct it is spammable, but it is not instant cast spammable, and by spamming it we open up the ability for us to get ripped apart.
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