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I'm wondering was it my fault?
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BrigKline
I would say that there is a difference between offering constructve criticism, and being outright hostile while in a raid, particually during the post-wipe how can we do better/what happened discussion. Seems like your raid was the latter. Being on a healer team, particually 2-man healing, means a good amount of teamwork makes a large difference. While being out and out rude does nothing but keep morale down, and hurt performance.
In a situation like the one you discribed, there isn't much you can do besides bear with it, or leave the the raid. After all, a fools argument is never won, right?
Luckily, my in-game buddy is a resto druid, and we two man heal the majority of our raids (myself being Disc specced), so I'm a bit lucky in that department. Hope you have better luck in the future.
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Crysania
Kel's Frost Blast does 104% of a players max health over 4 sec, so assuming they near full health before they are hit it doesn't take much to keep them alive. PW:S and some heals from the druid and the pally should live. PoM works well, too; especially when coupled with CoH when a melee group gets hit. To save the tank, use Guardian Spirit or Penance (unless they are on cd) The tank should also realize his health is getting low and someone is frozen and use his cooldowns if he can.
Sounds like you were carrying the healing on Kel and they were blaming you for not doing enough. Saph is a holy priest/resto druid fight. PoM was made for this fight, and CoH and PoH also excel here. If you and/or the other priest weren't using these spells as often as you can, it can make the fight a pain. Also, just because they are from a good guild doesn't mean a player will be a good healer, especially if it's not his main spec.
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scook999
My main is a mage (and have a level 80 priest I am working on), and it's so damn easy to blame the healer for everything, doesn't matter whose fault it is. On KT 1st round, I completly forgot a mage can counterspell his frostbolt, and we wiped. 2nd time, I interrupted, no problem. Had to check, the other mage didn't interrupt at all.
Point being, most likely it ISN'T the healer to blame.
One more example. ran a heroics COS, our tank had 38.8K heath buffed. Would run off as soon as I buffed everyone (20% mana), and would grab as many would fit around him. Then wondered out loud why he would die with that many hp. After we fell apart, I did check both recount and wow parser. Yep, he was critable on top of not letting me get mana. Who got the blame? Yep.
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Sgtpain
I have just been reading up on other classes lately and saw this and thought I would also throw this in there for you. I am a prot pally, and have a little more trouble on this fight because DKs have more frequent CDs than pallies (not after the patch though), bears can wear frost resist gear and stay crit immune, and warriors of spell reflect to help from some of the spell damage.
Anywho, I always get tossed aside on this fight because of this. A pally must use CDs frequently on this fight or they won't fare well. Heck, I heal myself when I am tanking him sometimes lol.
The conclusion is this. If the pally isn't uber geared and has solid heals, it' a bit tough. The healers were always complaining about keeping me up on that fight, even with all T7.5 gear and blowing CDs. When I heal myself, it makes a huge difference. The changes they made in the last patch helped a bit too.
Blizz lied when they said all tanks will be able to tank bosses equally in Wrath. Sometimes switching out a tank to try something new really helps too.
other than that, make sure to stick to your healing assignment as best you can. I don't care how "good" a guild is, if they are pricks, they aren't worth my time.
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oddbrown
I have read most (but not all) of the responses so this may have already been covered.
From my experience of healing this fight, the first time you heal Kel, regardless of having read tacs or watched vids on it, there is a high chance you will die/wipe.
This is because no matter how much you have researched about the fight, the Frost Blast will always catch you a little by surprise the first time you encounter it. You dont need to heal a lot to have someone survive it, but all healers are very focused on tanks on this particular fight.
The problem you faced was one every healer faces, do I heal the MT on low HP or do I heal the guy in the Frost Blast? Ideally you want to heal both of course...
It's the age old healer-has-to-make-a-life/death-decision moment. Sadly in PUGs these normally result in flaming. If you had let the MT die it would have been an instant wipe. As it was you let the guy in the tomb die, despite trying your hardest to save him. You made a judgement that was right in your eyes at that very second. Regardless of what other people in the raid said, you did what you thought was right.
I honestly don't think this particular wipe was your fault.
I have been flamed in PUGs before because someone else has done something stupid, or simply because my reactions were a couple of hundered milliseconds too slow. It doesn't take a lot for an ignorant raid member to start a wall of text that will crit you into oblivion.
I'm always amused by this as it's normally some random DPSer with no real awareness of what's going on around him/her.
You'll just have to accept that ignorant people usually blame the healers, and will always deflect blame away from themselves.
It's actually part of being a healer, they shoudl include it in the description of priest as a class:
"master of healing, and scapegoat for raid wipes"
Post by
Erethzium
If everyone's blaming you for everything, even after you linked healing meters to show that you healed the most, then they're just being @#$%^&*s, to put it bluntly. If they're relying on 1 healer for everything, even when there are other healer(s), then they're noobs.
Blunt, yet true.
Blizz lied when they said all tanks will be able to tank bosses equally in Wrath. Sometimes switching out a tank to try something new really helps too.
I agree, this IS a lie. Druids can solo-tank Thorim (at least, on 10man) while no other tank class can even come close to doing that, because Druids don't use Defense rating, so lowering their Defense skill does nothing.
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FlipFlops
basically what am getting is that the 10 man started out as a 2 man healing group then turned into a 3 man healing group., once u have 3 healers easy thing is have 1 on MT the other on OT the other on the raid group. And the healers who healing tank assist in anyway possible.
U said u had a shammy healer, I dont know how shammies heal but i just ran a 10 man OS and he healed the whole thing alone cause i died and the other priest afked for 75% of the fight, we did have good tanks aswell with great group and great ideas. For instance when i died and the healer went afk one of the Tanks said dont heal him, and just went all out useing all CD's and just died save mana longer run but we survived.
When u join a raid u need communication and back up plans.
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Crysania
KT is one of those fights where a 3rd healer is your safety net. Yes, you can do it with 2 healers, but if one healer gets frost blasted and isn't at full health, or as above where a tank has low health, it can get a bit tricky.
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drinkdeep
For Kel we had a Paladin respec Holy for MT healing. Part way through the battle they got frozen but the MT was on low hp. So I healed the MT and was half a second away from finishing my heal on the Paladin. He died.
If I am reading this correctly, the tank AND a healer got frost blasted, meaning the healer was standing next to the main tank?
Actually I dont think the main tank can be targeted for the Frost Blast, which would mean that the healer in fact got targeted but was standing too close and caused the main tank to also be hit.....thus it was the paladins fault pure and simple.
This :)
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