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Post by
Tenshigure
Perhaps I wasn't clear on my response either. You still want to keep people on the low end even with the damage output. Fact is, Leeching Swarm only drains 10% of CURRENT HP, not overall. Plus, if you're keeping a high HPS, you're doing the raid more harm than good thanks to the leeching ability healing up the damage he eats.
Having gone through Heroic ToC10 and working on ToC25 on the B-Team, this is one of those fights where you should be using the RT/LHW tactic instead of the CH Spam tactic. Yes, I know it sounds insane with the fact that everything is as random as it is, but the fact is you want to still keep people up without the high percentages. RT (with high enough SP) will keep those people with Penetrating Cold up, and with T8/T9 combo, you should be able to cycle through at least 5 people with it up each, let AA take care of the people on the lowest end to stay fighting.
CH will be your downfall in P3 Anub, period. Anyone who disagrees with me, please show me your logs to see how much unnecessary damage you took in the prolonged fight.
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Aris
CH will be your downfall in P3 Anub, period. Anyone who disagrees with me, please show me your logs to see how much unnecessary damage you took in the prolonged fight.
Well for me, i simply cant keep up. I tried it the other night, and the entire raid slowly slipped down in health till people starting die'ing. CH spamming just wasnt keeping them up. This is with 2800sp and 620 haste. Maybe with better gear i'll have your issue of healing them too much with CH spam.
As for Tank Healing, the new rotation seems to work OK, but its obvious im undergeared. I can barely keep up with healing waves, LHW isnt even close to enough HPS even with the glyph. Right now i'm trying a CH/HW/HW combo with the HW glyph and having the OT stand closer to the MT. Hopefully this will keep the MT/OT and myself up so the second raid healer doesnt have such a difficult time keeping as many people alive.
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MegaVolt
Perhaps I wasn't clear on my response either. You still want to keep people on the low end even with the damage output. Fact is, Leeching Swarm only drains 10% of CURRENT HP, not overall. Plus, if you're keeping a high HPS, you're doing the raid more harm than good thanks to the leeching ability healing up the damage he eats.
CH will be your downfall in P3 Anub, period. Anyone who disagrees with me, please show me your logs to see how much unnecessary damage you took in the prolonged fight.
No it doesn't eat 10% of your current HP. That's normal mode - but as I said I'm talking about heroic here (and so is the OP by the way). Who cares about normal mode? It's a cakewalk anyway. Any disc Priest or Paladin could raid heal that ;)
In 10man hard mode it will leech 20% of your current HP, in 25man it will leach 30%. And believe me, you WILL need all the healing you can get. By the way Penetrating Cold will also deal increased damage in HM, 6000 instead of the normal modes 3500. Keeping people with the debuff alive is much harder then.
CH will most certainly not be your downfall. It will be unnecessary in normal mode, I can agree to that. But it will be most necessary in hard mode.
Here is a combat log:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/mMDxish4Hym8tNCX/sum/healingDone/?s=10885&e=11290#Proneptis
The guy is the best Shaman I could find for 10man HC and he has around 10k to 11k hps in p3 with chain heal spam. Looks good ;) That combat log actually answers my question, thanks for pointing me into that direction.
You missed:
- we got a blue bar under our health that's called "mana"
- the people at full health won't receive any single heal from your CHs, so no HPS
- bloodlust/heroism doesn't last for ever
- ES is only on the tank
Just to name something, maybe there is something else :P
- Mana shouldn't be an issue in high end gear. Additionally p3 Anub isn't really that long, if you conserve your mana in p1 and p2 you can't really run into problems.
- Nobody is ever full in p3 Anub and that's what we are talking about here
- Long enough for p3 Anub ;)
- So what? Still a valuable contribution
Post by
windstrum
So i've been assigned to
heal the MT
for
Anub'arak
in
Heroic
10-TotGC for phase 3.
In
that
gear? Holy crap-apples Batman! Kudos.
I have nothing further. :)
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Post by
Silversmith
DO NOT spam chain heal in p3 unless you have a special low SP/high haste gearset! In fact, leave raid healing there to priests/droods.
Only people with PCold debuff should get any real healing, or the fight will draw out too much. Everyone else (aside from MT) should only get couple of HoTs (that's why druids are awesome there). In our 10HC group we are holding people on 10-20% hp throughout the p3.
PS Do not enter p3 with adds. If you do, have dps switch and burn them off. There will be another set in p3, and holding OT against 4 of them is damn near impossible.
PPS If you are not already doing it, tank adds under the boss, in the 'melee meatgrinder'. The first pair of each p1 dies without anyone switching to them. Although we are running a melee-heavy setup, with rogue, ret, warr and sometimes dk.
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Aris
riptide will cost you a GCD. HW makes you overheal. Spamming LHW if you only heal the tank is the key (in my opinion).
The HW's are almost never overheal, and LHW isnt enough to keep up with the damage. Its A LOT of damage. Idunno if you've ever solo healed the MT for p3 of Anub in Heroic ToTGC before.
DO NOT spam chain heal in p3 unless you have a special low SP/high haste gearset! In fact, leave raid healing there to priests/droods.
Were talking about HEROIC TotGC, not normal. I think you are confused. CH spam is the only thing i can think of to keep that many people alive. Especially since we are doing Heroic 10man with only 2 healers, and 1 is on the MT with little to no time to heal anyone else. There are no other healers to help you out.
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Post by
Aris
if i raid heal, i spam CH non stop with heroism, and everyone dies. So maybe you just have much better gear than i do. 30% damage per sec is a lot.
If i solo tank heal with LHW, tank dies. Again, maybe you just have way better gear than i do.
Now in normal 10man everything you say is true, but not in heroic. not for me.
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Post by
Aris
I don't think that you are undergeared Aris.
I think i was when i made the post last week. Since then i've gained over 200sp, and 5% crit rating with new gear within the last week. I havnt been back to 10-TotGC since then. I will tonight. We'll see how things go. I did 10-TotC last night, but thats really easy compared to heroic.
I'll grab the LHW glyph and see if that works or not. But last week, when i made this post, LHW wasnt enough to keep the tank up. I had to spam HW's to keep him alive.
if you mean if i solo healed ToTGC (thats 25man heroic).
No.
TotGC can be 10man or 25man.
There is:
5man ToC (Trial of Champion)
Heroic 5man ToC (Trial of Champion)
10man TotC (Trial of the Crusader)
Heroic 10man TotGC (Trial of the Grand Crusader)
25man TotC (Trial of the Crusader)
Heroic 25man TotGC (Trial of the Grand Crusader)
TotGC does not mean heroic 25man. All it means is its heroic. Could be 10man or 25man. If you say TotC your talking non heroic, either 10man or 25man. If you say TotGC your talking heroic 10man or 25man.
Post by
Aris
We just downed him last night. Me on the MT and a disc prist on the raid.
This is how we ended up doing it.
I CH spammed the tank, with the occasional hastened HW. So LHW was never used. While i did try LHW glyphed for this, and it did keep the tank up, it didnt work because the other healer needs help with the raid and LHW, even though its critting over 50% of the time, isnt enough.
so CH spam FTW on 10-TotGC Anub'arak solo healing the MT.
switching lhw glyph back to water shield glyph.
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251602
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Post by
Aris
We just downed him last night.
Me on the MT and a disc prist on the raid.
Wow! A big GZ only for the healing assignment :P
What we'll see on the next try? Druid on MT and Holydin on raid? :O
Well the disc priest would shield anyone who got the Penetrating Cold. Since its a DoT, and it does no damage when initially put on a player. It takes 3 seconds from the time you get it to the time you take damage which is around 3-4k with frost resistance aura. Usually you have to keep the raid above this much health so Penetrating Cold doesn't kill people. But since the disc priest could shield people before they started taking damage, we could let the raid get lower on health than what would normally be possible without people die'ing to penetrating cold.
It actually works really well. Makes P3 go much faster because he doesn't regen as much health.
The only reason they had for making me MT heal was because no one else had as much single target HPS as i did.
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Post by
JaxOmen
Short version: If mana does not matter, you need to keep a tank up through massive incoming damage: RT->HW->HW->CH->HW->HW-> repeat
That is the highest healing output rotation a resto shaman can do
And yes, if you're tank healing heroic Anub, this is what you should be doing. He bursts the tank so hard, 10m heroic anub bursts my 50k hp, 34k armor, 50% dodge bear tank down 30% of my health every time he hits, PLUS leeching swarm, PLUS freezing slash inducing unavoidable melee swings.
You won't be overhealing a heroic anub tank spamming your biggest heals. Ever. Don't use LHW to try to keep up a heroic anub tank. Use P2 to regen your mana so that you can still have >50% mana going into P3.
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