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Fall of Arthas and Rise of Sylvanas? [Discussion]
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Post by
Morec0
Sylvanas may very well become the Lich Queen, she has the potential and drive for it.
But as for all of the Minions of the Scourge (save the very powerful ones like Lich's and DKs) they probably just start wondering around (Zerg minus Overmind style) or just die out completely.
Post by
Queggy
I would say that the lands and creatures would stay dead. I would also say that the undead would fracture into separate groups of Chaotic Evil, Chaotic Good, and Lawful Evil.
Post by
Skyfire
Sylvanas doesn't have the psychic ability to control
any
being. That said, we can only speculate about what would happen if the Lich King was completely removed from the equation, rather than if he was simply weakened enough for people to regain their conscious.
My opinion is one of two: The remaining Scourge would become like
completely
mindless zombies, desiring only BRAAAAAAAINZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
The second: The remaining Scourge would disintegrate, were the Lich King to die completely and within a short amount of time.
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Post by
Patty
Hmmm I have wondered this myself.
I think this may end up being a similar encounter to Illidan in Black Temple perhaps, with Maeiv Shadowsong?
Although I think it is a toss-up of who will help you pwn the Lich King between; Alexstrasza, Sylvanas Windrunner FINALLY getting revenge, Darion Mograine getting vengeance, and Tirion Fordring.
I don't think that the undead will revoke back to their living selves, nor do I think they will be utterly destroyed.
I think some will break free and join the Forsaken, some may be accepted by the humans of The Alliance, some will fragment into small groups, others will merely die, and some may become puppets of the Burning Legion?
I am with BRAINNZZZZZZZZZZZZZ though :P
Post by
Morec0
Skyfire's probably right, without a leader the Scourge will probably just start wandering around killing stuff. Kinda like what happened with the Zerg in Starcraft when the Overmind was first killed, different game but same concept.
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Morec0
Skyfire's probably right, without a leader the Scourge will probably just start wandering around killing stuff. Kinda like what happened with the Zerg in Starcraft when the Overmind was first killed, different game but same concept.
And made by the same company. Interesting connection, no?
Sylvanas's goal was to lead the Undead away from mindless enslavement. She would not become the "Lich Queen". I think its very likely that the leftover Scourge will regain their sentience and essentially become Forsaken.
That may happen with them Lorewise, but I just thought I'd point it out that there will still be Scourge in the Plaugelands and such, no matter what Blizzard does.
Post by
Sagramor
What you're all forgetting is that the Scourge originally belonged to the Legion, but eventually the Lich King got so powerful that he was able to break free.
With the Lich King dead the Legion will see this as the perfect opportunity to regain one of their most powerful armies.
The undead minions left when Arthas dies will most likely be controlled by Killy. Sylvannas, of course, won't go for that, and in the end they're gonna have a bad-ass showdown to decide what will happen with the left over dead. Will they be free of their mind-control and join Sylvannas or once again become mindless pawns to serve Killy?
Find out in the next expansion/patch!
Post by
ArgentSun
Timeline in MMOs is a little weird. There is a certain way of thinking that kind of makes sense, and things may be a little confusing if you are not following that certain train of thought. Events in WoW don't follow your character's level (or not only), but the patches instead. To kind of make sense of it...
Prince Kael'-
don't-look-so-smug
-thas. We first killed him in the Tempest Keep, and then he popped back semi-alive in the Magister's Terrace. The important thing - if you were there, you probably knew that he is in the Tempest Keep, knew he was killed, and knew he appeared in MgT a little later on (patch-wise). But if you are a new player, who joined the game at, say 3.0.2 time, you had no way of knowing that. So you need to know what had happened in the WoW Universe before you joining it, in order to make sense of it, i.e. if you are a new player, you should learn that in order for you to encounter Kael'thas in MgT, some other players have killed him in TK. And if you go to the TK, to kill him there, you need to forget that you've killed him in MgT.
I suspect similar thing will happen to the Scourge. Two expansions from now, the Lich King will be a nice memory for many of us. But new players leveling through Ghostlands and the Plaguelands would be thinking "What the hell, there is no Lich King, what are those undead dudes doing here?". Well, those players will have to think as their characters would. The kill stuff, stuff says it serves the LK, characters decide to go kill that LK - the reverse of the Kael'thas story. You need to ignore the fact that other players have killed the Lich King and put your mind into the idea that
you
are going to be the one killing it when you hit 80.
I probably don't make sense either, but at least I tried.
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Post by
doublediamond410
I could see, in the distant future (WoW 2, perhaps?), Sylvannas and the Forsaken leave the Horde and form their own neutral faction after members of the Scourge are freed from the Lich King and however many join with the others in Undercity.
Afterall, it's been stated that the Forsaken are *only* in the Horde to serve their own purposes (defeat the Scourge and Arthas, ultimately freeing their enslaved undead enemies) and I don't see much reason for them to stay if they have been avenged and gain that kind of strength in numbers.
Post by
Tahoma
As I know now. . .The Lich King stopped controlling his minions ever since warcraft 3 tft. Sylvanas wasn't the only one who wasn't controlled anymore. We must remember that when the plague began , people in WPL and EPL where told about the plague and TLK like a new religion and a new god. "Do like this and you shall be immortal". A lot of the Scourge now (as I believe) is actually Undead who aren't controlled by TLK (just like Kel'thuzad) and who now server him as loyal subjects. TLK doesnt forcefully control anyone anymore, just gives a bunch of directions from his seat of power.
My guess is that the Scourge will be devided in many leaders, and they will seek to claim the Scourge as their own, a civil war you might call it, while the Alliance and the Horde will continue to try and eradicate the scourge from Azeroth, while at the same time try to conquer as much of it as possible for their own faction. And from this probably new villains will arise. However I do see that. . .although Forsaken are Undead, they arent necesarily the evil type who want to take over the world mainly because of their leader Sylvanas, but for sure there are some forsaken out there who, like Putressa, would like to claim a faction of their own and kill all of the living (again).
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Post by
Adamsm
If we were talking real world, if the Lich King dies, that would be it for anything empowered by his magic, without the Undeath from him, they would all die; including the freed death knights, the Forsaken and Sylvannas.
As for WoW, more then likely like they said, the strongest will still survive, possible some of the Lich's and Death Knight's commander's taking control. As for Sylvannas, depends on her state of mind; if she still believes the living are a threat to everything she holds dear, she might go crazy and re-instate the Blight. If she stays sane and decides to continue to try to "live" everything will remain as it is.
Post by
Lionsprey
dont forget that the scrourge arn't the only undead out there or invented the Undead (half guess half reserch and other things i have seen including Arthas reaction to the first zombies seen in wc3)
meaning that there most likely where necromancers and as such a lot of the necromancers serving the lich king now wont have had their power granted by the lich king, this could potentialy place a high ranking necromancer with a small army
Post by
Adamsm
First zombies in WC3 were done by the Cult of the Damned, led by Kel'thuzad working for.....
(drumroll please)
Ner'zhul/Lich King, which means those were the Scourge at the beginning heh. But yeah if the Lich King goes down, there would be scrambling by the Cult of the Damned to get someone to take over, and more then likely they will kill themselves off, trying to become the undead they wanted.
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