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Post by
Toldry
"Where" generally connotates that you'd like to know wth someone must be referring to. The second thing it refers to is "why"... Or at least that's always how the question has parsed for me. /shrug
Where I'm from, "where did that come from" is a mock-disbelief way of telling someone they brought up something that has nothing to do with the conversation.
Because the guy in the video you linked said Israel needs to return all the territory won in the 6 day war.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Because the guy in the video you linked said Israel needs to return all the territory won in the 6 day war.
Ran through the video again and couldn't find a single reference to the 6-Day War.
This
is what he's talking about when he's speaking about Israel taking over the south of Lebanon.
As far as I know, Israel didn't get any Lebanese land from the 6-Days War.
Post by
Toldry
He used the term "The war of 1967, not "6 day war".
As far as I remember.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
He used the term "The war of 1967, not "6 day war".
As far as I remember.
Okay I found it.
I didn't remember that because he wasn't actually speaking about Lebanon at the time, he was speaking about Palestinians and the conflict with Israel in general.
The conflict involving the south of Lebanon that was being reported was not from 1967.
That aside. Why does Israel have the right to lands they took by force in 1967?
Post by
Toldry
Why does Israel have the right to lands they took by force in 1967?
Why do the Americans have the right to lands they took by force from the native-Americans?
If all the native-Americans were to rise today and say that they demand their lands back, and that if all the Americans wouldn't agree they would kill them all and drive them to the sea, how would you respond?
Ignoring the fact that native-Americans are a minority who wouldn't be able to do that.
Post by
Deepthought
Why do the Americans have the right to lands they took by force from the native-Americans?
Um, they don't, but TBQH if you apply this standard strict-a-standard everywhere no-one really has any right to anything.
However, I don't think it's really possible to compare *Isreal/Palastine* to *Americans/Native Americans in modern times*.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Why do the Americans have the right to lands they took by force from the native-Americans?
They don't except by virtue of the fact that they won it.
If all the native-Americans were to rise today and say that they demand their lands back, and that if all the Americans wouldn't agree they would kill them all and drive them to the sea, how would you respond?
I'd fight back if I wanted to keep the land. I wouldn't pretend they have no right to fight for it.
Keep in mind a lot of the land was ceded to the US by treaty.
In short, if you take land by force, for the love of Common Sense, don't say they other side doesn't have the right to take it back by force.
Post by
Toldry
in modern times
So if Israel were to somehow conquer all of the Arabic territory opposing it, and wait a century or two it would be okay?
I wouldn't pretend they have no right to fight for it
In short, if you take land by force, for the love of Common Sense, don't say they other side doesn't have the right to take it back by force.Who ever said that?
Who ever said that? There are no rules in war.
I'd fight back if I wanted to keep the land.
Exactly.
Post by
Deepthought
So if Israel were to somehow conquer all of the Arabic territory opposing it, and wait a century or two it would be okay?
No. My point is that comparing the plight of Palestine to the treatment of Native Americans (note, I don't agree with the modern treatment of them, but it's much much better than for Palestine) is actually quite offensive to those in Palestine at the moment.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
in modern times
So if Israel were to somehow conquer all of the Arabic territory opposing it, and wait a century or two it would be okay?
I wouldn't pretend they have no right to fight for it
In short, if you take land by force, for the love of Common Sense, don't say they other side doesn't have the right to take it back by force.Who ever said that?
Who ever said that? There are no rules in war.
I'd fight back if I wanted to keep the land.
Exactly.
So in other words you're agreeing with me and George Galloway. Hezbollah and much of the Middle East is justified in attacking Israel.
Yet you call it preposterous.
Post by
Toldry
So if Israel were to somehow conquer all of the Arabic territory opposing it, and wait a century or two it would be okay?
No. My point is that comparing the plight of Palestine to the treatment of Native Americans (note, I don't agree with the modern treatment of them, but it's much much better than for Palestine) is actually quite offensive to those in Palestine at the moment.
What?
Post by
Deepthought
So if Israel were to somehow conquer all of the Arabic territory opposing it, and wait a century or two it would be okay?
No. My point is that comparing the plight of Palestine to the treatment of Native Americans (note, I don't agree with the modern treatment of them, but it's much much better than for Palestine) is actually quite offensive to those in Palestine at the moment.
What?
Don't pretend you don't understand.
Post by
Toldry
Either I don't understand or your argument is dumb.
Because Palestines find it offensive that Israel exists, Israel should go away and find somewhere else to be in? (Or alternative, just die)
Post by
Deepthought
Either I don't understand or your argument is dumb.
Because Palestines find it offensive that Israel exists, Israel should go away and find somewhere else to be in? (Or alternative, just die)
No.
Comparing the plight of Native Americans today to the plight of Palestinians today is offensive to Palestinians because it trivializes their plight?
Is this really a hard concept for you to grasp, Toldry?
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
The issue is this.
Israel is perfect and justified to Western eyes in everything it does.
The Arabs are all terrorists to Western eyes.
To lambaste people like Galloway because he supports Hezbollah and Palestine is pretty stupid.
Israel took land and people by force. The US and the Western World supported them. Now the Arabs want their land back, and we condemn them.
Stupid.
Post by
Toldry
Comparing the plight of Native Americans today to the plight of Palestinians today is offensive to Palestinians because it trivializes their plight?
Is this really a hard concept for you to grasp, Toldry?So, you're saying Palestinians have been watching this thread and find it offensive that I compare their plight to that of the Native Americans, and you know of it?
I guess it is a hard concept for me to grasp, you'll have to forgive my stupidity.
Post by
Deepthought
So, you're saying Palestinians have been watching this thread and find it offensive that I compare their plight to that of the Native Americans, and you know of it?
I guess it is a hard concept for me to grasp, you'll have to forgive my stupidity.
I don't know about you, but the trivialization of the murder of innocents offends me no matter what race/nationality I or anyone involved in the incident is.
But I guess I'm just a bleeding-heart liberal for caring about people QQ
Post by
Toldry
Israel is perfect and justified to Western eyes in everything it does.
No, not really.
The Arabs
are all terrorists to Western eyes.
You're saying Western Culture thinks all Arabs are terrorists?
To lambaste people like Galloway because he supports Hezbollah and Palestine is pretty stupid.
I honestly don't understand this sentence.
Israel took land and people by force. The US and the Western World supported them. Now the Arabs want their land back, and we condemn them.
That brings me back to the comparison of the Hezbollah and the Native Americans.
Post by
Toldry
I don't know about you, but the trivialization of the murder of innocents offends me no matter what race/nationality I or anyone involved in the incident is.
Me too.
So what do you expect Israel to do? Let Hezbollah take over Israel and let them exile us to who knows where/kill us all?
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Israel is perfect and justified to Western eyes in everything it does.
No, not really.
Israel has been supported by America and to a lesser extent European governments in nearly every conflict since Israel's creation.
So, yes really.
The Arabs
are all terrorists to Western eyes.
You're saying Western Culture thinks all Arabs are terrorists?
You saw it in the video. Any group that attacks Israel to get land back becomes automatically a terrorist organization.
To lambaste people like Galloway because he supports Hezbollah and Palestine is pretty stupid.
I honestly don't understand this sentence.
It's a fairly simple construction.
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