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Do They Think Meta's Damage is Balanced?
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Post by
asakawa
looks like you completely misunderstood what was being said because you're focussing on a tiny and mostly irrelevant point, missing the bigger picture.
you also mistook the fact that nobody replied as an indication that nobody saw it... perhaps nobody cared.
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365968
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Post by
chaosultimamage
Not all specs are supposed to be balanced to do the same ^&*! in every type of play.
If you were doing PvP as a Prot Warrior complaining about your DPS, you'd get flamed too.
If you don't like your damage in Demo, respec.
Post by
Kobrakai
Demo is and always has been our survivability spec, if you want to see big numbers, spec Destro or better yet, reroll a class not based on periodic damage.
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Post by
Grindalwald
Demo does great damage. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person that thinks demo is as powerful as either destro or afflic. I'm getting tired of the only one in the forums that defend it.
I would say demo's only weakness is its hard to take down heals without meta. If you blow meta at the wrong time, and the heals helas through your damage, then it's pretty hard to finish them unless you can mana drain or something. I vote for a permenant form of meta, maybe nerf the armor contribution to give us something close to leather or mail, take the 20% damage down a notch to 10ish%, and leave the stun/root duration reduction as a permenant buff. If they did this though everyone would quit their toons and play locks, because who wouldnt want to be a giant demon all the time?
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Post by
Fingulfin
Affliction is weak in arenas because we live in a world of burst. If you have a good Druid partner, affliction can be VIABLE as an outlasting spec, but its hard.
Because we live in a world of burst, Destro shines. Destro is all about quick stuns and big numbers... Which is what the arena calls for.
Because we live in a world of burst, Demo SUCKS for PvP. Regardless of how much armor we get from Meta, a Paladin can just make us turn evil. Rogues can vanish and wait a few seconds for Meta to go away and casters are completely unaffected by it. Demo lacks the burst to kill someone during the 30 seconds of +20% (lol) damage, and DoTs are just a waste of mana (and also do very little damage).
Demo is currently the redheaded step child for both PvE and PvP; it has some nice talents early up in the tree, but going far enough in to get some of its end-game "toys" is a waste. Blizz won't fix that any time soon either; Warlocks have two viable trees.
Post by
Naranya
Fingulfin <- Do you play Arenas yourself, or are you just saying stuff from the top of your head?
Affli is very viable, and actually the best spec for 2v2-arena play, which will still be a third of the arenas until patch 3.2. But agreed demo doesn't work in Arenas... In a caster-filled, shaman-less raid the Demo DP start to make sense... All in all that might give a higher raid DPS than any of the other specs... It's close, but if you run the numbers (I haven't, just seen others do so) it is a viable spec for raiding. Remember the 250 spellpower buff is raid-wide... (250 is just an estimation... Will prolly be higher... It is for me anyways...)
Affliction lives on in 2v2 because you can LoS someone and still do dmg... And affli has the best CC-options...
But... To return to the original question (yes... I had to scroll-up and read it again because my memory is like a bucket with holes in it) The resilience changes is not really a dmg buff for us, but it is a dmg nerf for almost everyone else... Which somehow can be interpreted as a buff to us right?
I don't think demo should be buffed... It is simply impossible to make every spec viable everywhere. The dmg in raids is more or less the same for each spec (affli, demo, destro, hybrids) which is a major accomplishment, adding to that that we have 2 viable PvP-specs (I don't like demo, too easy to counter) I must say I'm satisfied with the work Blizz has done here.
Hmm... Think I must add: Sorry for the wall of text...
Post by
Fingulfin
Yes, I play arenas and I bash Aff Locks skulls in.
Warlock Arena Representation
Affliction has considerably lower representation in arenas, while demo is simply non-existant.
I don't think demo should be buffed... It is simply impossible to make every spec viable everywhere.
The dmg in raids is more or less the same for each spec (affli, demo, destro, hybrids)
which is a major accomplishment
WARNING: Incoming Rant.
Why do people who have absolutely ZERO experience try posting advice for others? Take this "Naranya" character for example. He/She has not even
CLEARED NAXXRAMAS
and is trying to say that Blizz has equally balanced all three talent trees for PvE. You haven't even experienced the ENTRY RAID and you are trying to talk about balance? Are you kidding me?
You are accusing ME of pulling things off the top of my head, and yet you haven't done !@#$ as far as raiding is concerned. I understand that not everyone can get into a good raiding guild to down hard modes in Ulduar, but nobody has ANY excuse as for not clearing Naxx.
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Naranya
First of all: Read up on the way we are supposed to act in these fora.
No I don't waste all my sparetime raiding (personal oppinion to subject) but that does NOT disqualify my statement about the OVERALL raid-damage output of the different specs. This was based on math, NOT personal experience. Which was what I saw in your post:
Demo is currently the redheaded step child for both PvE and PvP; it has some nice talents early up in the tree, but going far enough in to get some of its end-game "toys" is a waste. Blizz won't fix that any time soon either; Warlocks have two viable trees.
Adding to that the more or less incorrect statement here:
Affliction is weak in arenas because we live in a world of burst. If you have a good Druid partner, affliction can be VIABLE as an outlasting spec, but its hard.
Because we live in a world of burst, Destro shines. Destro is all about quick stuns and big numbers... Which is what the arena calls for.
(I didn't say it was incorrect, it's just a generalization of the reality out there. If you follow your own link you'd see that the #1 is actually Affli.)
Other than tah ou dismissed Demo in all variants. If you do the math and find a raid without a shaman, then the damage output you produce as Demo-lock (not the shining star here) COMBINED with the additional damage from buffing you and your fellow raiders with 200-300 additional spellpower will give more or less the same result.
So (a) grow up, (b) understand the forum-rules and (3) leave me alone.
Yes I am new here, yes I am new to the game, but that does not take away my ability to put an amount of numbers next to each other and see that their percentagewise (made-up word, but it is late here) difference is small.
Post by
Fingulfin
Thats like saying "Sure, I'm blind but I can still walk this other blind person across the busy street because my sense of smell works perfectly!"
As for Demo, you LACK the ability to do math.
Click Here
Both deep demo specs are the BOTTOM two specs; by taking 0/56/15 (the "utility" build) you lose nearly NINE HUNDRED DPS when compared to 0/13/58. If you think that is "close" to what Affliction and Destro are pulling, you are absolutely retarded.
You have no experience and even lack the Theorycrafting skills to be giving others advice. Quit spouting forth BS.
Post by
asakawa
hehe, the forum's feisty tonight! ^^
off topic but i love options (a), (b) and (3) - made me lol.
(disclaimer: my gentle mocking shouldn't be taken for an opinion on this subject or agreement with any party therein.)
Post by
Naranya
This does not take the added damage from your raidwide buff in to account.* Did you even read anything below the big numbers?
*Which was my point in the beginning...
Read my post, your own and the stuff you linked once again before you answer.
Post by
Naranya
I'm sorry Asakawa. It was not ment as options per se... The "and" gives my uncontrolled trolling away... It was a summary of three distinct things I asked for :P
Which btw wasn't adressed at all by the Good Fin... Let me ellaborate:
"you are absolutely retarded."
"You have no experience"
"Quit spouting forth BS."
\sarcasm toggle
Did you ever consider visiting a shrink and get someone educated herein to work on your confidence-issues so you wouldn't have to throw harrassment like that around?
\sarcasm toggle
(I love my sarcasm-addon... I'd like to give a link, but it's confidential material...)
Post by
asakawa
it was "(a), (b),
(c)
(3)" thing that i found funny.
i don't really follow the rest of what you're saying but i was just making a silly off topic interjection so it doesn't matter.
Post by
Naranya
Ah... Think I'll hit the sheets... That I didn't even catch that one on your reply indicates I am a bit tired :P
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