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Are Druids the "lite" version of every class?
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hashmel
bear tanking is boring and not as good? that's news to me. it's simplistic in its efficiancy and different just like others are different from each other.
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GenXCub
I want to roll a druid and originally planned for him to be a tank and healer. But after learning that druid tanking is both boring and not as good as other plate tanks, I figured that i would be a healer and a kitty dps (which would compliment my 80 hunter well) But after thinking about it, is a druid just basically a lite version of every class that the forms appear as and would it be better just to roll the class that its copying? (I.E. bear-warrior, cat-rogue) And if anyone can defend druid tanking please comment on that too
Blizzard has stated that Pure DPS classes should do 1-3% more DPS than hybrids.
You cannot compare healing because druid healing is just different from other healers. They beat the other 3 at pure raid healing output, and will lose in single-target output compared to disc priests, and paladins.
Blizzard has stated that as far as tanking goes, they strive for all 4 tanks to be equal in ability, and that every encounter should be doable with every type of tank, but that you cannot help that some encounters could be slightly easier with X type.
As it stands right now, after DK's got nerfed into the dirt for tanking, Paladins are the new OP tanks, and warriors are seen as bottom of the totem pole. Expect them to get a buff next. (the difference between all is still marginal, at best)
So think of having a druid as being able to not have to roll a rogue and a mage on top of being an equal healer or tank to any other healing and tanking class.
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Khaydarian
I must say that you are dearly wrong. Druids share the mechanics of rogues and warriors, but are not played in the same way. As for power; Bears are just as good and possibly even better than the other tanks, pairing nice with a DK tank. Cat dps is awesome, if you are averagely geared for the instance you are playing, you should easilly be in top 5 dps always. Restoration druids are amazing aswell, and has a unique playstyle compared to the other healers, and the healing they can produce if played right is the best in the game atm (in my personal oppinion) for raid healing anyway, might be thrumphed by disc priest and holy healers on MT healing, im not sure.
I am currently spec'ed Feral tank / Resto and have full conquerors sets for both of the specs, so i know a thing or two about raiding. I have healed everything since MC and tanked everything in TBC and LK, and I can say that while druid tanking might not be as entertaining as some other classes, it never really bothered me. Druid healing is always fun, and I enjoy it dearly.
I made this char the day Classic wow was released and though ive made many alts, ive never been as satisfied with a class as a whole as I am with druid.
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hymer
Yes and no.
Not good enough? :) Ok.
In a sense, certain druid specs are close to certain classes/specs. They can fill any role, so a cat is a lot like a rogue or fury warrior. But, there are always differences.
No matter your spec, any druid can combat ress. Any druid can cast MotW. Any druid can teleport to Moonglade. No other class can. On the flip side, rogues can vanish and fury warriors wear plate.
Druids are absolutely capable of vying for a raid spot with their closest cousins. When it comes to PvP, it's a little different, but here you're not competing for spots.
There is one good reason to play a druid, if you're not certain what class to play: You can always respec and get different gear, and you now have a character capable of filling any role you wanted, without a need to lvl to 80 first.
Also, druids are among the fastest leveling classes.
However, if you want a character that is the very incarnation of stealth, go with the Rogue. If you want a glass cannon caster, go for a mage. And so on.
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Timmeh
Bear tanking and prot warrior tanking have a very similar play style; mangle vaguely equates to shield slam, lacerate to devastate, maul to heroic strike (well, cleave when you consider the glyph). Warriors generate AoE threat with thunder clap and shockwave, bears use swipe... yeah, there are differences, but the play style of a bear is very similar to a warrior with less toys. That's not to say they're less effective, far from it, many encounters I hate tanking on my warrior I love tanking on my druid (the Brann encounter in HoS is a prime example), but the play style is undeniably very similar.
Cat and rogue... ehh, some small similarities, but playing a kitty is certainly not playing a cut down rogue - if anything it's practically the other way around, kitties have more stuff to keep an eye on, more debuffs to keep up.. and are a lot more fun to play.
Resto is NOTHING like any of the other healers; I've now healed with all 4 classes at least L70 (and with 3 classes at 80) and I have to say, the druid is by far my favourite. They are, I suppose more support healers, their healing is powerful, steady, predictable, but doesn't have the same burst potential of some of the other classes... but that's okay, that's not the job of a druid in a raid and druids are extremely valuable as resto.
I've never played a boomkin so I can't comment, but the rotation looks interesting and the raid buffs/debuffs provided are very nice indeed.
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Bairforem
Pretty much Druids are above par when it comes to both Feral Dps and then Resto healing.
Other speccs are rather lack luster like Balance Caster Dps and Feral tanking, though they do still provide benefits to the raid. Where they might lack in being really 'good' versions in situations they provide raid benefits.
I will just say that feral dps is by far a lot harder to work with then rogue dps in order to optimize. You have to be in the zone to pull it off to really do good dps with the right specc otherwise you can expect to lose a good sum of dps. All speccs sound like 'lite' versions but how they function compared to classes they are similar to really do vary a good deal.
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Lightrain
But after thinking about it, a druid is just basically a
heavy
version of every class that the forms appear as and would it be better just to roll the class that its copying if you want it simplified? (I.E. bear-warrior, cat-rogue) And if anyone can defend druid tanking please comment on that too
Fixed.
The only specs that can be considered more simple than others is bear tanking and boomkin dps, but it's still not something that everyone can just jump in and do flawlessly(you should have heard the QQ about bear mechanics in TBC when swipe hit 2(?) targets.).
The druid counterparts to other classes are actually tougher to play as a whole. You can't defend yourself against a rogue with evasion up(our defense now comes from crits and being able to land mangle, maul, or shred).
Feral is probably one of the hardest melee classes, and takes a lot of trial and error to master.
Resto, takes good foresight, and being able to predict incoming damage, or at least prepare for it before it happens. Resto isn't a drag racer, it's an endurance racer. You can't get off the line worth anything, but once you build up speed, there's no stopping you.
Boomkin...... Well, if you can PvP over 2k as a boomkin, you're a better man than I.
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Heckler
(you should have heard the QQ about bear mechanics in TBC when swipe hit 2(?) targets.).
3 targets, and only in frontal cone, melee range. It was awful by comparison.
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(you should have heard the QQ about bear mechanics in TBC when swipe hit 2(?) targets.).
3 targets, and only in frontal cone, melee range. It was awful by comparison.
Ya, aoe aggro on 5+ targets was an art that most couldn't master, but we were armor capped, and kings of single target melee boss fights.
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Post by
DSitC
Bear tankin' is fine, I enjoy it vastly. ;-)
While it may be the intention that dps specs of hybrid classes should average on a slightly lower measured dps than that of pure dps classes, the line is very very blurred by player skill and equipment.
This is also not true for tanking and healing. Those roles are not found on pure classes anyway. ;-P
The only thing that may be true for bear tanking is, that we have not as many tools and buttons available for tanking as many of the other tanking specs. This does not diminish our efficiency, however. Druids tanks gain depth by being able to shift out of
bear form
to
innervate
,
battle rez
or something else.
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QuestionC
I have to disagree. I am an 80 boomkin without a single piece of Tier anything epics. I have alot of stuff from badges and H ToC runs and Uld25. I easily out DPS mages and locks with similar and sometimes better gear. IT's all in how you play. Like the cat dps, you have to understand how to push the dps out of your spec. IT's not easy mode whatsoever.
All things being equal
, a Moonkin will not outdps a Warlock or Mage.
But we're fairly close to them in the current patch.
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