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Post by
Nazeka
If it was a pug, who cares? get some guildies in
if was a guildie, I would suggest explaining to him how much it would help to have him cleansing off diseases; preferably after both of you are calmed down.
edit: typo :(
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Post by
Synectics
do u think helping healer to cleanse is a stupid thing to do?
Simply put: yes.
I've healed it a few times on my Disco Priest, who has no way to cleanse poisons. No one in the parties I was in could, either, and at most, one person would drop due to it every couple runs.
Not every healer can cleanse Poison / Disease / Magic. Encounters are designed to be beaten even if you cannot cleanse the effect... for the most part; obviously, a few raid environments differ. But for 5-man's, you should never NEED to cleanse it.
So if you can't cleanse it, you need to heal through it. Cleansing the effect is an advantage -- not necessary.
Post by
Nazeka
Why shouldn't the dps contribute if the group isn't getting the boss down because people are dying to things that the dps can easily take care of? Sure its an advantage to cleanse and not needed, but if the group is dying, why contribute to its death?
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Post by
MischievousLoki
btw i forgot to tell you that tank only have 27k hp , it is tough for me to heal and cleanse
And you have what, 1300 SP and 3% haste?
Post by
PureGold
I was dpsing this on my rogue and had to bring in my pally as ret to help cleanse.
Of course my tank was a Bear and my healer was a Holy priest.
Post by
JemiS
From my experience trying to cleanse that as a Ret pal, the loss in DPS was harder on the group than the cures would have been.
The poison stacks every 3 seconds, and you lose a GCD casting Cleanse. Basically, I had to stop DPS almost entirely to cleanse.
And losing a few K DPS on a fight that is already a DPS race is not a good thing.
My opinion, anyhow. I would throw cleanse at the healer/Tank, but trying to keep the DPS clean too was a nightmare.
I honestly think that poison is meant to be healed through, not cured.
Post by
Mileron
As a paladin tanking doing this a number of times today, I would Cleanse when I saw the stacks hit 3, and never had a problem keeping threat high.
If the Ret paladin would compromise a little between assisting his healer and doing damage, then it wouldn't be such a bad tradeoff, especially if it helps the healer.
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MischievousLoki
As a paladin tanking doing this a number of times today, I would Cleanse when I saw the stacks hit 3, and never had a problem keeping threat high.
If the Ret paladin would compromise a little between assisting his healer and doing damage, then it wouldn't be such a bad tradeoff, especially if it helps the healer.
I agree here. You lose a lot of DPS trying to be a primary cleanser, but if you just throw one out now and then when you can, it'd help out a lot, I'm sure.
Even if you lose 1k DPS, losing another member entirely is a lot worse.
Cleansing isn't a ret paladin's job, but neither is mindlessly ignoring the rest of the group to do as much personal damage as you can. Especially in a small group setting.
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Post by
blademeld
If you're referring to the rogue poisons, your DPS should not be standing in the poison puddles, it's not the responsibility of the healer to keep them up at tat point.
If your DPS fails to understand that, kick them.
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JemiS
Maybe we're talking about a different fight, but to keep group members from dying I had to do nothing but cleanse, and even then I could barely keep up with it.
And yes, this is not a poison you can avoid- it comes from the rogues Fan of Knives, not standing in the puddles.
Every time since I've run it with a healer that can cleanse, they've had no trouble keeping up with the cleanses and heals.
For Mileron:
Were you triple cleansing when the stack hit 3, or just taking off the top stack? I found that if I waited until 3 stacks, I couldn't keep up with keeping the person cleansed- by the time I got down to 1 stack, it was reapplied.
And were you cleansing just yourself, or everyone?
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Synectics
It's an advantage and not a necessity for people who have a larger toolbox than a holy paladin does.
You say you've tried healing it on your disc priest.
Have you tried healing it as a holy paladin?
Sure it can be done, but asking someone who can cleanse to do so is not only not unreasonable, it is prudent.
My point was this -- if there's no one in the party who can dispel the poison, it's still a winnable encounter. It's also why I stated that my answer was "simply put" as yes, the DPS should not need to dispel it.
If you have
no one
in party who can clear the poison, you are still able to do the fight -- that's what I was getting at.
With that said
, it's not at all difficult or hard, nor too much to ask, for a Ret or Prot Paladin to throw out Cleanses. Let's face it -- we're a utility DPS as Ret, and ignoring that is just plain dumb.
But I really wanted to stress that you don't
need
anyone to cleanse the poison -- it's just an advantage to do so.
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