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Blood Tank + UB?

Post by 361918

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Post by belhemel

Well I have to say I am no expert in the matter but I see why you have grabbed the talents you have if you are the OT. You may be nerfing your dmg a bit but that really isnt your roll exactly(even though tanks have to be doing good dps too). The only problem with UB is the fact that if mobs are moving or if you get knocked back it doesnt do a great job. However having said that if they stay pretty much grouped UB will help.

I have been learning to tank myself with blood and as such I am relegated to the OT right now. However I did my setup a bit more like a dps char would.

I like to start with DS to give my group AM and then hit with IT, PS, then hit pestilence. After that it is HS,HS, rune dump which would be most likely UB). Sometimes it changes but that is my basic rotation. I know that I get a better DS when I hit after IT and PS but it semms that my DPers do better when Aboms procs right away plus my death runes come up faster.

Feel free to critque my rotation but it has been working good, although I may have to change later when I hit harder content.

Post by Wildhorn

I use this build and it does wonders.

Post by svl007

I use this build and it does wonders.

i'd take the 2 point out of imp blood presence and put em in blade barrier.

for the rest it is a nice build for 5man heroics and ot'ing, for mt'ing i'd go deeper in blood and skip ub

Post by Wildhorn

Yeah I was thinking about it, but I could not figure out which was better, 4% healing or 2% reduction.

Post by Aleanos

Since the 4% healing is based on your own dps and not 4% increased healing taken (as many tend to think it is) IBP is a very weak talent when it coems to tanking.

For instance, if you're in great gear you might be able to push ~2.5k dps (being generous here) that amounts to ~100hps ==> very little :P

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Post by demonicforce

Please let me know what you think of this build

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#j0EGVh0IcbMdskZ0xZ0xGbxcz

i have been using deep blood for awhile and yeah what everyone has said and i figured out the aoe agro sucks. So i figured i would stay blood but make use of unholy Blight.

If this don't look any good or just sucks, i think i will just spec deep Frost, but will miss "veteran of the third war".

I normaly have the role of OT and get tasked of grabbing ads so death grip is very handly. Saying that though i sometimes get thrown into the MT role.

anyway let me know what you think.

BCB is bad as a tank, sure you think "extra threat" the mob your fighting on the other hand thinks extra parry gibs lol...

i use to be messing around with blood spec trying to figure out how to get the 6% stam 6% exp from blood , i found that this spec has the highest threat for single target and AOE and is GREAT for fights such as hodir with lots of magic damage and high hits http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#j0EMV0hcoZ0xoZbghcx0zxIzRcoz

ill go over why i choose certin talents in this spec..

No ebon plague bringer? - DPS unholy dk's will allways have it no need for it
No wandering plague? - crit chance is to low to make it matter
improved unholy presence? - for those times where you have to move or die, iron counsel is a good example for this.. green spots of death ftl
1 point in desecration? - just a filler really to move down the tree , and is better then 1% strength from RD
1 point in black ice? - had 1 point left over after getting all the needed talents, this makes pretty much everything you do except white mele hits hit for 2% more dmg
anti-magic zone really needed? - for fights such as hodir with high amounts of magic damage going everywhere, if all your cooldowns are down , just pop that , will absorb at least 1 full hit.

why not just go full blood spec if your going to go that far down into blood? - the blood cooldowns , while semi-ok are no where compaired to the boneshield , i currently have 47k HP full raid buffed in 25's , while the 15% more hp is great , it will only let you take maybe half a hit more? with boss's now hitting for 17k+ the 20% mitigation for those oh crap moments are needed ALOT.

if you dont want to be that deep in unholy i sudgest useing http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#jcEMVh0IsbocsoZ0xZ0gGhx0zo
this is bascially a put up ur diseases do a couple DS and spam the hell out of heart strike while keeping unholy blight up at all times will get you about 6k TPS single target and decent aoe agro

the subversion is for the 9% crit to heart strike, hope i helped out a bit

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Post by Cronovey

I use this build currently:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#j0EMVhhIsbofosZMxZ0gh0xc

Hysteria is an often overlooked talent. The small amount of health lost for the somewhat ridiculous amount of threat generation it can grant is a very small price to pay, especially on fights where the DPS are going through the roof with buffs, ie Malygos, Hodir, etc.

Sometimes I prefer to get rid of Necrosis and Blood Caked Blade and take it into frost a bit more for the 20% haste but I use the Glyph of Disease so I'm not casting Icy Touch very often, using 1 rune to keep my diseases up instead of 2.

I tried out Unholy Blight; it isn't terrible, but the amount of damage and threat that it puts out just doesn't seem to be worth putting that many points down into Unholy when there are other important talents that can be used in the other trees.

Post by Aleanos

Why'd you use RPM for that build? It does close to nothing for you...

Instead you might want to get 2/3 Scent of blood (mainly for more RS's)

Also, I saw some figures that BcB is more or less ~3% of your total tps/dps, dont you think that Blood gorged would be a better source of tps? (more or less the same for Necrosis aswell)

While we're at it, you might also want to get WotN (one of the few tanking talents in blood).

And finally, i agree that Hysteria is a great talent and oftenly overlooked, but I've never had the need to use it on myself, if you need it to increase your tps then there must be something wrong with your rotation or spec, use Hyst. on DPS instead :)

Post by demonicforce

thanks heaps for the posts, its just wanted i needed to read. i think i will try the 1st spec of yours, looks good an makes sence.

any able to help in what rotation what be used, ive never played unholy.

also what glyphs if possible (bone shield is one for sure)

PS You gota love "Veteran of the Third war" talent, its the whole reason i went into blood tree.

for unholy there is no rotation to be honest... you just keep your dots up at all times and use blood strike to make death runes and scrouge strike as much as possible ...

glyphs i use are glyph of bone shield , glyph of Scourge strike , glyph of death and decay.

you could switch out the death and decay one for something else if you really wanted to , but the others are needed.

and yeh i loveeee Veteran of the third war hehe 6% stam str and exp is just godly for 3 points

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