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Post by
Volsung1
Ok so today I was running Durnholde today and I had a shadowpriest in my party. He kept asking who was heals and we keep telling him that he was heals. He was stating that he was a shadow priest and that he didnt heal, so i sent him the DPS chart and I proved to him that he was not even doing good dps. I've played with shadow priests before who are phenominal healers. My question is how hard is it to understand that the main job of a priest is heals even if your not spec'd for heals.
Also I was playing my Ret Paladin and I had to rez the preist about 5 times
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302872
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Post by
Caewyn
Yes a priest's main known role is a healer, however, we are also capable of solid dps.
Many priests level as shadow and not in healing spec because they think it is faster (like myself).
It is possible to heal as shadow for a while, however when it gets to around the 70 plus levels, it becomes harder. I healed right through the Outlands as shadow just fine. I was asked to heal Nexus the other day. I distinctly pointed out I was shadow but they insisted, well I healed the way I have healed up until 70 and we wiped constantly. Simply because my heals aren't strong enough as I am not specced that way. We had a strong group who knew what they were doing, so it wasn't their fault either.
Yes we can heal, but when it comes to higher levels, spec does play a part in how well we can heal. Shadow can only cut it for a cetain extent.
The amount of times I have been asked to heal, I tell people I am shadow, and they say, but you can still heal right....if I received gold for the amount of times I had been asked this, I'd be rich and could buy my epic flying mount :P
It's a common misconception. So maybe this particularly priest wasn't good at dps either, or didn't know how to play the class properly, it can't be expected that he can just heal because they are a priest.
Edit: Well written Homicydalmaniak, it is so important to establish who is doing what before you start. I always check who is tank/heals/dps. Often I've been invited saying Im dps, I ask who is healing and they say you, and I say no im not :P
Post by
236yfpjkjhd
My question is how hard is it to understand that the main job of a priest is heals even if your not spec'd for heals.
That's not the main job of a priest at all, no more than the main job of a warrior is to tank.
If a priest agrees to heal, then priest is healer. If not, then you can heal instead.
As a priest who regularly plays both shadow and disc (in the past: holy) specs, I feel extremely annoyed when people simply assume my class is always supposed to heal, regardless of talent spec.
Post by
AldaranStormrage
To heal as shadow you have to really out-gear or out-level the instance after you pass HFP dungeons.
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156392
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Post by
Cecyll
Shadow priests are not healers. They are specced for DPS. Holy (and disc) priests get a reduction in casting time on their heals, shadow priests do not; Shadow priests cast heals 33% slower. Holy priests get a bonus to spellpower gains on their heals;Shadow priests need to cast around 3 times more than a holy priest to get the same amount of healing done. Holy (and maybe disc) priests use 15% less mana on heals than shadow priests; Shadow priests use 17.6% more mana on heals than holy priests. A healing priest will have glyphs to make heals stronger/use less mana, a shadow priest will not
A holy priest priest can do 5-6k healing in 1.5 seconds, casting flash heal once (using 626 mana).
A shadow priest can do 5-6k healing in 6.0 seconds, casting flash heal three times (using 2319 (773*3) mana).
Shadow priests are not healers. A bad holy priest can outheal a good shadow priest just by using Renew.
Post by
Larael
My question is how hard is it to understand that the main job of a priest is heals even if your not spec'd for heals.
I think that this question sounds a bit like a racist one... Poor fellas', those shadow priests.
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233098
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Post by
Sinespe
Oh God, the amount of misinformation in this thread ... First off, the OP's post is trollworthy, at best, so I'm barely going to touch on it (and have already reported it for being trollbait). But some of the
flat denials
contained within the replies are even more ludicrous.
Shadow Priests
can
heal, in Shadow spec, if they are asked to and are willing to
. Let me make that clear from the outset. They can do that all the way up to
level 80 in normal instances
. They do not need to "Out-gear or out-level" the instance in question. They just need not to chain-cast; to use their mana-returning cooldowns whenever they need to; to be prepared to drink more often than if they were Discipline or Holy, to compensate for the lack of mana regeneration and output
Priests are 66% healing, just looking at the talent trees. We are a
healer-based hybrid
class. The attitude of "I am shadow, therefore I
refuse to heal
and will
actively /ignore
anyone who so much as
asks
otherwise," is an attitude that I dropped roughly 3 months into the game -- it makes you look like an anti-social jerk.
The hardest point to heal as shadow spec is between 58 and 68 -- after you get Prayer of Mending, it becomes simple again.
Cecyll's statistics are made up on the spot. Flash Heal is a 1.5 second cast regardless of spec. Greater Heal is 20% slower. I don't know where the 17.6% mana cost is coming from; but, even if it's accurate, 17.6% extra mana really isn't that much. As I say, it just means that you have to drink a bit more. Extra mana cost is also covered by the fact that you have Dispersion from 60, which gives equivalent regen to Meditation if used on every cooldown.
Shadow Priests may not be healers, but we're perfectly capable of healing an instance if required. Decline, politely, if you don't want to, but don't react violently when asked; and, if they utterly insist, just leave if you don't want to do it.
Post by
cawfee
It also depends a lot on the group. If you have 4 other people with brains in their skulls, it's easy to heal through a lot of things as Shadow if you have a tank that's specced and geared for doing his job; however, once you bring the often pugged retards into the equation that take avoidable damage and stand in fires, your job suddenly becomes a lot more stressful and Shadow priests will be the first to run out of mana of all the three builds.
Long story short: Yes, healing as Shadow is possible, but if you plan on bringing idiots and are being carried by your healer anyway, you'll probably want a Holy or Disc priest in your party.
Post by
Paolo
It also depends a lot on the group....if you plan on bringing idiots and are being carried by your healer anyway, you'll probably want a Holy or Disc priest in your party.You're conflating the issue. Even heal-spec'd priests are no match for failtanks and dps who can't move out of whirlwinds; bad players are perfectly capable of creating sustained wipefests that no healer can overcome. Of course a well-geared (but more to the point, a well-skilled) heal-spec'd priest might be 15% better at dealing with lousy pugs. But in terms of the original/actual question at hand, I think Val covered it nicely.
Post by
soadrokr
My question is how hard is it to understand that the main job of a priest is heals even if your not spec'd for heals.
the main job of a priest is just like any other class, it is what they choose/agree to do
you want to decide what an entires class main job is? go pay the $15 a month of every person who plays that class, til you do that, ask the priest before you start the group if he is heals, if he says no hes dps, invite a healer, and always keep in mind, just because a
class
can tnak or heal, doesnt mean the
player
can, i bet anyone whos used to pugging knows this
Post by
Patty
we
keep telling him that he was heals
. He was stating that he
was a shadow priest and that he didnt heal.
My question is how hard is it to understand that
the main job of a priest is heals even if your not spec'd for heals
.
Also I was
playing my Ret Paladin
and I had to rez the preist about 5 times
Pretty much self explanatory.
Imo, a Shadow Priest who doesn't want to heal shouldn't be forced to heal. Why couldn't you have popped on some intellect gear and healed it yourself? Oh wait, you don't want to. Nor did the Shadow priest. That is the same principle as to you not healing.
So, you think that all Priests are healers? GG, go back to facerolling your ret pala if that is what you think.
Not all priests heal or are trained for healing higher level dungeons, don't force it on others. Either get someone more willing to heal or look for a healer. Simple enough. Just remember he pays his £10 a month as much as you do, and should be entitled to play how he wants.
Oh, and btw, if you didn't know...Shadow is a DPS tree, just as much as your retribution if not more, you don't have to drop a "retribution form" to heal. And you say you showed him the meters. If he was dpsing while healing, he is out of shadowform and has less time to cast offensive spells....no wonder it was lower.
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166886
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Post by
badbee
I'm frankly amazed that anybody even responded to the OP
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153976
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