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A Question for All of you Climate People (Now about Other Stuff!)
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Post by
Random0098
I think that the largest difference evidenced in this forum between support or denial of scientific theories and religious theories is this:
a scientific theory is picked apart when there isn't enough evidence to prove it.
a religious theory is held together when there isn't enough evidence to disprove it.
this doesn't significantly contribute to either side of the argument, it's just fun to note.
Post by
Lusky
Haha, nice observation Boott. xD
Post by
Queggy
Creation's an evil one, but something we can work with. To start off, a couple questions: Creation of the universe? Creation of life? Creation of mankind? They all invariably lead to the creation of the universe, because we have theories which talk about the creation of mankind and of life. Similarly, there are theories on the creation of the universe. A la Big Bang. There are others of course. Would you like to bring up reasons to believe in God beginning the universe/life/man?
Well, believing that God created everything leaves no questions or holes that Evolution or any other theory does. The Bible tells such and such and that's how it was. Sorry, more stuff to accept on faith. But people accept other things on faith, why not religion? Such as evolution. People say that such-and-such proves Evolution, yet have you seen their experiments with your own eyes? If you haven't then you are accepting what they say on faith.
As for the flood, there are a few scientific theories out there as well, and we do know the flood actually happened, just nothing of Biblical proportions.
How do we know it wasn't of "Biblical proportions"? Sorry, I just haven't heard about any science stuff on the Flood. Have they not found fossils of fish way up on top of mountains? Would that not suggest that they were once covered in water?
As noted above, there are other "histories" as written by other cultures. Judaism and Islam come to mind as the easiest 'contemporaries', but what happens when you look at faith in ancient China, or faith in Greece? They wrote down what they thought about creation too; what makes theirs wrong?
First - Judaism and Christianity are very closely related, except they don't believe that Christ has come yet. So their older histories will be the same as Christians.
Second - I don't know much about Islam, so I can't comment on that particularly.
Third - I've read some of the older mythologies (Greek, Norse, Egyptian) but they could never provide a satisfactory answer as to creation, life, and other issues.
You're old enough to reason, which means you're old enough to ask why, which means you're old enough to argue without turning to the primary source. Don't use "I'm not the person to talk to" as a copout.
Sorry, not really trying to "copout". It's just that I have no one one my side to help me argue this out. :\
Also, wouldn't the proper person to talk to be an ordained minister and not me?
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Queggy
but divine miracles do not occur in the real world
They don't?
I've been in 5 accidents.
Accident 1: My cousin pulled out into a highway without looking. A car smashed into the truck where I was sitting, which going 70 miles an hour, totalling both vehicles, and killing a lady's dog. No injury to me.
Accident 2: My senile grandmother rear ended a parked van going exorbant amounts of speed. It totaled our car, knocked the van into another parked van, tottaling both of those vans. Three people had to be taken to hospitals, one by helecopter, 2 of them died. No injury to me.
Accident 3: During drivers ed in high school a ditzy girl rammed the trainer car into a gas station. No injury to me.
Accident 4: I rolled a motorcycle, shredding it. No injury to me, dunno why.
Accident 5: I was driving down the highway in alaska, gonig about 55mph, when a moose sprinted out in front of my jeep. I hit it head on, caving in my windshield. The moose went through the entire cab of the car, bending over the steering wheel and breaking the driver's seat in half, finally smashing out the back window. The moose then got up and trotted off into the woods. I ducked, so no injury to me.
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Queggy
How can you say they don't come from God? Does not everything come from God?
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Queggy
Well, if you want to do that, then I can say -
"God does exist, therefore your argument is invalid."
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Post by
Sagramor
Well, if you want to do that, then I can say -
"God does exist, therefore your argument is invalid."
as I said, I will never convince you, and you will never convince me
The point of what Queggy said was: your argument sucked.
Post by
Laihendi
Stop talking about God and religion... this is about climate change and the environment. If you can't talk about that without backing yourself up with religion then go read a book or something.
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Sagramor
Stop talking about God and religion... this is about climate change and the environment. If you can't talk about that without backing yourself up with religion then go read a book or something.
I'm pretty sure by this point the discussion isn't about the climate anymore. The topic has been changed, but it'll change again.
Well, if you want to do that, then I can say -
"God does exist, therefore your argument is invalid."
as I said, I will never convince you, and you will never convince me
The point of what Queggy said was: your argument sucked.
his did as well, he said basically "god exists, your argument is invalid" but then later denied it
He said that as a way to show you that your argument was invalid. But, maybe not, it's not like I'm in his head. Or...am I?
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Laihendi
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Topic: Climate change >>> god
Doesn't make sense :-/
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Sagramor
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Topic: Climate change >>> god
Doesn't make sense :-/
Someone used God to back up climate arguments and with that the discussion changed, simple as that.
Post by
Queggy
That and basically that it sucked. Sort of like in 3rd grade when someone would call someone else a name and then the person would go, "I know what you are, but what am I?"
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