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3.1 Lifebloom and Restoration Changes
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razzem
So let me get the LB change right.
LB costs 2x, but when it blooms, you get half of that back, ie back to the pre-3.1 cost.
However, to restack LB, we incure the cost of casting 3 stacks again, as opposed to just casting a single LB to keep the stack rolling. Meaning that... the total difference is now the cost of 2 LBs? Please correct me if I am wrong here. (I'm just talking about the additional cost that it adds to single target healing.)
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razzem
So let me get the LB change right.
LB costs 2x, but when it blooms, you get half of that back, ie back to the pre-3.1 cost.
However, to restack LB, we incure the cost of casting 3 stacks again, as opposed to just casting a single LB to keep the stack rolling. Meaning that... the total difference is now the cost of 2 LBs? Please correct me if I am wrong here. (I'm just talking about the additional cost that it adds to single target healing.)
Read the link I posted just above. I know, it is a WOW forum post, but it is actually very good and explains the LB nerf in detail.
I've read plenty of the posts there, but honestly, most of the posts talk about pally hps and LB not coming close to actual effective hpm/hps, and most of them are talking about rolling LB on multiple tanks. I'm talking about what this does for single target LB rolling.
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QuestionC
I don't know if you guys are running around in T7.5, but I am and trust me... we have way too much mana regen. Given how well Spirit/Int scales, they had to do something.
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ljudsnubbe
Icebeard, you are so funny. It seems like you are deliberatly trying to missunderstand me
1. There is a DECREASE in Regrowth Crit chance from talents,not and INCREASE, as you claim.
2. OverHealing is NOT BAD. Step out of Vanilla WoW please.
3. "Most Druids just spam LB"? WRONG! Only bad Druids do that! Most Druid roll LB and use MANY heals.
4. I think he just called most Resto druids stupid "Just spam LB" indeed.
5. I understood you. I just TOLD you you are just plain WRONG on most points. Druids are not DOOMED, but these nerfs are not needed and will most likely place us at the bottom in both healing meters and rank of desired healers.
1. I never said Regrowth crit-chanse was increased compared to now. I know it will be changed from 50% to 25% extra critchanse, but 25% extra crit though talents is still an increase compared to the 4% we have on HT and nourish.
2. Overhealing is a sign that healers cant see how much healing the target will need to get full hp, and to be safe they use to big heals (waisting mana & time). IMO this is bad (and thats one of the reasons I love disc-priests), but you are of course allowed to disagree with me. I know overhealing is unavoidable when using aoe-heals, but we are not talking aoe-heals here are we?
3. Hmm, "most druids just spam LB"? I never said that. I agree only bad druids would just spam LB, I just say it has been a little to easy way for players to get great healing on multiple targets without having to struggle with it. The incoming changes will force them into changing their playstyle, and I dont see the harm in that. Raidhealing is supposed to be difficult.
4. Again: what? see nr3
5. I also think druids isnt doomed, but alot of people have been whining about the changes as if you were. I agree the changes wasnt needed, but I dont think you will drop to the bottom of the healinglists as long as you adapt to the changes instead of keep playing like you have done before. And i know I´ll still wanna raid with druid-healers.
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ljudsnubbe
Realistically, its often really not needed for a druid to keep 3 stacks of lifebloom up on multiple targets during a raid. A lot of the strength of certain classes is their ability to deal with situational healing needs - such as aoe damage. Another important type of situational healing is dealing with periods where healing is either impossilbe due to a stun/silence (such as web wrap on Max) or very difficult (such as the Maly vortex). Being able to precast a big heal by stacking lifebloom and expecting it to bloom in those situations may turn out to be more vaulable to the raid that having a cheaper lifebloom rolling on more targets.
Just saw this post, and couldnt agree more!
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razzem
Realistically, its often really not needed for a druid to keep 3 stacks of lifebloom up on multiple targets during a raid. A lot of the strength of certain classes is their ability to deal with situational healing needs - such as aoe damage. Another important type of situational healing is dealing with periods where healing is either impossilbe due to a stun/silence (such as web wrap on Max) or very difficult (such as the Maly vortex). Being able to precast a big heal by stacking lifebloom and expecting it to bloom in those situations may turn out to be more vaulable to the raid that having a cheaper lifebloom rolling on more targets.
Just saw this post, and couldnt agree more!
\You can already do that on Live. What is your point?
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ljudsnubbe
Realistically, its often really not needed for a druid to keep 3 stacks of lifebloom up on multiple targets during a raid. A lot of the strength of certain classes is their ability to deal with situational healing needs - such as aoe damage. Another important type of situational healing is dealing with periods where healing is either impossilbe due to a stun/silence (such as web wrap on Max) or very difficult (such as the Maly vortex). Being able to precast a big heal by stacking lifebloom and expecting it to bloom in those situations may turn out to be more vaulable to the raid that having a cheaper lifebloom rolling on more targets.
Just saw this post, and couldnt agree more!
\You can already do that on Live. What is your point?
Well kind of, but the bloom on live isnt multplied by the number of LB on the target.
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SignupSucks
Well kind of, but the bloom on live isnt multplied by the number of LB on the target.
A moot point: in any situation where you are planning on using the bloom a means of heal of healing (Loatheb, Malygos) you're not going to waste time stacking it, you're going to put it on as many targets as possible. As far as tanks are concerned, it is better overall to keep the stack rolling rather than letting it bloom, who are the only targets where a stacked lifebloom is of any benefit in terms of bloom healing... assuming the bloom will even be effective.
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Post by
iLive
Actually the report DOES clearly show a Paladin WILL ALWAYS beat a Druid, look at the second link! Currently a Druid can NOT out HPS a paladin on patchwork even using EVERY spell/CD they have. And a Druid will go OOM much faster than a Paladin, if that Druid is constantly spamming heals ever CD trying to HOT 3 tanks with more than just LB, were the pally can chain spam one heal on one tank much longer for better HPS and EHPS.!
I am a Druid and I heal like 100% more than my other raid members on Patchwerk (heroic), so I believe saying "allways" is incorrect.
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