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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
I don't know about you, but the trivialization of the murder of innocents offends me no matter what race/nationality I or anyone involved in the incident is.
Me too.
So what do you expect Israel to do? Let Hezbollah take over Israel and let them exile us to who knows where/kill us all?
How about releasing the Lebanese prisoners and giving Lebanon its land back.
Post by
Deepthought
I don't know about you, but the trivialization of the murder of innocents offends me no matter what race/nationality I or anyone involved in the incident is.
Me too.
So what do you expect Israel to do? Let Hezbollah take over Israel and let them exile us to who knows where/kill us all?
Hm yes the fact that I have expressed disaproval of Isreal's actions w/r/t Palestine means that I want Isreal razed to the ground this is an accurate representation of my viewpoints yes
Post by
Toldry
Israel has been supported by America and to a lesser extent European governments in nearly every conflict since Israel's creation.
So, yes really.
Yes, Israel has been supported in almost every conflict, but that doesn't mean that Israels actions have been anywhere near
perfect.
You saw it in the video. Any group that attacks Israel to get land back becomes automatically a terrorist organization.
I don't know about anyone else, but I automatically generalize anyone who wants to kill me to be an enemy, terrorist or not.
It's a fairly simple construction.
Simplify it further then ~_~
Post by
Toldry
I don't know about you, but the trivialization of the murder of innocents offends me no matter what race/nationality I or anyone involved in the incident is.
Me too.
So what do you expect Israel to do? Let Hezbollah take over Israel and let them exile us to who knows where/kill us all?
Hm yes the fact that I have expressed disaproval of Isreal's actions w/r/t Palestine means that I want Isreal razed to the ground this is an accurate representation of my viewpoints yes
Being sarcastic doesn't help.
Let me rephrase my question;
So what do you expect Israel to do?
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Yes, Israel has been supported in almost every conflict, but that doesn't mean that Israels actions have been anywhere near
perfect.
I never said the were perfect -_-. I think Israel sucks.
Perfect is how the Western World perceives it.
I don't know about anyone else, but I automatically generalize anyone who wants to kill me to be an enemy, terrorist or not.
I'm talking about the Western World, not Israel.
Simplify it further then ~_~
It is stupid that people lambaste Galloway for the fact that he supports Hezbollah's and Palestinians' claim to lands controlled by Israel.
Post by
Toldry
Aha, so your argument is criticizing the western world that says that everyone against Israel is a terrorist.
Now I get it.
So you're saying that the Western world should look in Israel's enemy's perspective that their land was taken from them and they want it back?
Post by
Deepthought
I don't know about you, but the trivialization of the murder of innocents offends me no matter what race/nationality I or anyone involved in the incident is.
Me too.
So what do you expect Israel to do? Let Hezbollah take over Israel and let them exile us to who knows where/kill us all?
Hm yes the fact that I have expressed disaproval of Isreal's actions w/r/t Palestine means that I want Isreal razed to the ground this is an accurate representation of my viewpoints yes
Being sarcastic doesn't help.
Let me rephrase my question;
So what do you expect Israel to do?
Three words Toldry, three words.
Give.
Land.
Back.
(also, stop being !@#$s).
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Aha, so your argument is criticizing the western world that says that everyone against Israel is a terrorist.
Now I get it.
So you're saying that the Western world should look in Israel's enemy's perspective that their land was taken from them and they want it back?
Yes.
Just because Israel was formed by the UN does not automatically make them the good guys. Stealing land, however, does automatically make them the bad guys.
Post by
Toldry
This all brings be back to my hypothetical story with the native Americans.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
This all brings be back to my hypothetical story with the native Americans.
The US stole land from the Native Americans. The US was the bad guy.
What don't you get?
Post by
Deepthought
This all brings be back to my hypothetical story with the native Americans.
My Toldry record is broken, please help, posters of the Recycle Bin! Q_Q
The US stole land from the Native Americans. The US was the bad guy.
What don't you get?
Post by
Toldry
I do get it, but I guess there's one questions that I need to ask you in order to entierly understand;
Do you think Israel is justified for fighting back for it's survival?
Post by
Deepthought
I do get it, but I guess there's one questions that I need to ask you in order to entierly understand;
Do you think Israel is justified for fighting back for it's survival?
White phosphorous dropped on civilian Gaza in broad daylight
? "
Fighting for our survival!
"
Post by
Toldry
I do get it, but I guess there's one questions that I need to ask you in order to entierly understand;
Do you think Israel is justified for fighting back for it's survival?
White phosphorous dropped on civilian Gaza in broad daylight
? "
Fighting for our survival!
"
Have you ever thought to look in the perspective of people who live in places like
Sderot
?
Israel has tried to stop the people in Gaza in every way possible for years, and nothing has worked.
Ultimately it seems that the only way to stop them is violently, and we had no other choice.
So yes, that is fighting for our survival.
People always mercy the weaker side, and since this time Israel had an obvious advantage then it has been the target for most of the criticism.
Post by
Deepthought
Have you ever thought to look in the perspective of people who live in places like Sderot?There are no rules in war.
It's okay for us to commit war crimes but when they do it? DESTROY THEM
Israel has tried to stop the people in Gaza in every way possible for years, and nothing has worked.
Yeah, Isreal really has tried to
stop
people in Gaza, hasn't it? It's tried shooting them, bombing them, invading them...
Ultimately it seems that the only way to stop them is violently, and we had no other choice.
So yes, that is fighting for our survival.
Bull%^&*.
People always mercy the weaker side, and since this time Israel had an obvious advantage then it has been the target for most of the criticism.
What are you even trying to say?
Post by
Toldry
So everyone has the right to attack Israel but Israel doesn't have the right to attack anyone else.
Yeah?
Post by
Deepthought
So everyone has the right to attack Israel but Israel doesn't have the right to attack anyone else.
Yeah?
Either show proof of me expressing beliefs along these lines or get out.
Your choice.
Post by
Toldry
You believe that Israel's attack on Gaza was not righteous, but you never showed any objection to the fact that the Hamas attacked Israel.
Post by
Deepthought
You believe that Israel's attack on Gaza was not righteous,
Hahahahahahahahaha, I...what? You're serious? "
You believe
"? The killing of innocents is "
righteous
" now? Uhmmmmm...
but you never showed any objection to the fact that the Hamas attacked Israel.
Um, they're sort of trying to stop unwanted oppression of their people dude. Now I know what you're going to say "But Isreal get's oppressed too!" but the thing is that if
Isreal just gave the land back
, most of the anomosity against them when dissapear.
And not showing objection to the killing of innocents =/= supporting it now? What? I think Isreal should give the land back, yes, but that doesn't mean I support the deaths of civillians caused by Hamas.
Post by
Toldry
Hahahahahahahahaha, I...what? You're serious? "You believe"? The killing of innocents is "righteous" now? Uhmmmmm...
No, I belive killing people who attempt to kill you is righteous, killing innocents isn't, and from what I understood the IDF tried to avoid killing any innocent people.
Um, they're sort of trying to stop unwanted oppression of their people dude. Now I know what you're going to say "But Isreal get's oppressed too!" but the thing is that if Isreal just gave the land back, most of the anomosity against them when dissapear.
I find it hard to believe that if Israel would give up some land they'll stop acting aggressively towards us.
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