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asakawa
QWhat have I given that has been misinformation?
Ayes it is less per second than some other builds however it will do more damage throughout a raid versus on one boss. I have proved that point on my server...
a poster on these fora, dunsinane, has the sig "the plural of anecdote is not data". everything you've posted here falls on the wrong side of this line and you make no attempt to back it up with something objective.
...besides, i still don't really understand where this competition between aff and destro has come from. are we all trying to invent the next cookie cutter here? if so i need to leave these boards ^^
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asakawa
great! we see things differently. that's a start.
discussing damage based only on bosses is the traditional way. bosses drop epics and people spec specifically to kill bosses not kill trash. if you want to post a good trash spec then that's cool but most build discussion in pve assumes we're talking about max level bosses.
if you're talking about something else then you'd need to specify to make that clear.
you keep mentioning your server. i don't see what bearing that has on things.
game-wide, people discuss dps as a benchmark for comparisons because there are WAY too many variants to simply talk about damage.
if you want to take part in serious discussion here (and elsewhere i'm sure) you would do well to take these ideas on board.
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Blightman
I understand you think damage on one boss more important. I take a different view, more damage overall in my opinion shows more skill, than just a boss pull.
My thinking is not flawed nor is yours, we just see things differently is all.
As far as damage meters go...very rarely do I see how much dps comes up...oooh I had 9.3k dps or whatever, however I do see alot more of actual damage on a mob/boss/raid. This maybe server specific, don't know so to not count out raid wide damage in discussing builds would be slighting one spec for another nor would it be giving all the possible facts.
From what I have seen that is what the vast majority is going on here from reading posts.
If someone wants to talk about a dest build help them with that, but for the most part the discussion goes to afflic.
And as a funny sidenote, the OP asked for:
I am looking for a good PvE build that will allow maximum dps.
to the OP: if you like destro play it. if you are only interested in doing max DPS in instances then affliction is it right now. some spec suggestions for either:
http://www.wowhead.com/?forums&topic=56632#p562343
Trash skill:
If your tanks can handle the aggro then all the skill you need for trash fights is mashing your SoC button.
If they can't then smash your SB or Incinerate button. Few trash fights last long enough to bother with DOTs.
The amount of damage you do in a 5-10m boss fight takes skill, you have time to use every spell you got even the ones with 5m CDs, you have to work around boss specials abilities, adds, coordinate with raid members etc.
Including/Excluding trash fights is not about slighting a spec it is about focusing spec builds on around the important fights.
Talents like
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=17780
and
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=18176
are really only useful for boss fights. For that matter how many Chaos bolts do you chuck in a trash fight compared to a boss fight.
The reason most posts goto affliction is because the posters are asking for the best dps spec and right now that is affliction.
The truth is the best spec is the one you have the most fun with that you can still get into raids with.
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asakawa
Traditional does not make it the only or correct way, not saying the traditional way is incorrect by any means.
I do understand just talking about a boss and dps is cool, and it is traditional it ignores alot of other options to increase damage overall just not dps.
I do take take into account of how that is looked traditionally, but various individuals have not taken into account others look at it differently and automatically critisize them for it, you can go back in the treads and see exactly what I am talking about.
Just because it is not the norm does not mean it is invalid.
I also if you notice stay away from dps threads, since I do look at things differently.
the problem is you aren't bringing anything new to any discussion. i'm not sure what you think you're bringing but you haven't made a point yet.
i think that you are massively misunderstanding the relationship between DPS and damage.
what exactly is it that you think you have to say here?
do you think you're doing something special which allows you to achieve low dps but high damage? are you trying to defend your low dps by saying that you make up for it by winning on the trash meters?
i'm so often amazed at how much people can type without saying anything of substance.
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asakawa
We can continue on like this forever, it is up to you.
this is very true and it's naughty of us to have spread this discussion over more than one thread.
defend your high dps by discounting how low your damage over all is as afflction
if this is the point you're making then i what i'm saying is that affliction
doesn't
have low over all damage. i think you're wrong and i think you're only basing your opinion on one raid group (yours) or, worse than that, maybe only one raid!
Boss pulls are not the only way to look at
affliction traditionally (and don't misunderstand my use of this word again, i mean that this was the way it worked but things may have changed) fared much better in boss fights. however the changes to tanking mean that aoe is much more prevalent. whether this is proper aoe (SoC spam) or smaller scale (multi tanking with dots running on several targets) the result is that affliction can do just as well on trash as other more burst driven specs.
now, you've made a point. i've disagreed and given my reasons for doing so.
what happens next is you give your opinion about what i said. defending your point of view, conceding a point, furthering the debate.
what you've been doing is saying that we're all too short sighted to understand you (you've also been continuously misspelling thou) in quite insulting terms. i understand you perfectly well. i disagree with you.
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asakawa
actually RoF doesn't scale better than SoC.
RoF coefficient is 95.2%
SoC coefficient is 150%
RoF does 2700 (tooltip) over 8 seconds
SoC does ~1500 (tooltip) with 2 seconds casting.
RoF has emberstorm
SoC has SM
this is very bare bones stuff and not proper theorycraft but RoF does not scale that well.
i would also suggest that instead of casting a DoT to proc MC you use shadowfury or shadowflame to do it. if the group is big enough one blast of shadow damage is very likely to get the proc.
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