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Heckler
Whoa, I was just flipping through the rules and Mana Burn doesn't exist anymore? I didn't know that =D I'm going to try to find the answer to this now, but maybe one of you knows -- when does the mana pool empty? After every phase still?
Ah, still the same. But no burn, that's interesting.
106.4. When an effect produces mana, that mana goes into a player‘s mana pool. From there, it can be
used to pay costs immediately, or it can stay in the player‘s mana pool. Each player‘s mana pool
empties at the end of each step and phase
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Jubilee
Fist of Suns + Gleemax ;)
Post by
Heckler
The removal of mana burn I'd say was more because of some specific cards, such as
Omnath
.
Wasn't mana burn applied at the end of the turn based on how much was left floating in your mana pool? If so, Omnath would be a suicide card.
It was whenever the mana pool is now emptied, which is at the end of any phase or step. It was rarely an issue when I played, a few of the SRSBZNS players used
Mana Drain
though, which was a tad risky and is now strictly better than
Counterspell
.
The only other thing would be a ding for 1 or 2 from a
Dark Ritual
. More often, an experienced player would say "Oh we're starting combat step? Well you just took 1 mana burn idiot" to a new player, which did seem silly.
I also read this funny Ruling yesterday, made me laugh (subj.
Oblivion Ring
)
If there are no nonland permanents on the battlefield other than an Oblivion Ring, and the card it exiled was another Oblivion Ring, casting a third Oblivion Ring will result in an involuntary infinite loop that will end the game in a draw (unless someone chooses to break it by putting another nonland permanent onto the battlefield or destroying one of the Oblivion Rings, for example).
Post by
Jubilee
I also read this funny Ruling yesterday, made me laugh (subj.
Oblivion Ring
)
If there are no nonland permanents on the battlefield other than an Oblivion Ring, and the card it exiled was another Oblivion Ring, casting a third Oblivion Ring will result in an involuntary infinite loop that will end the game in a draw (unless someone chooses to break it by putting another nonland permanent onto the battlefield or destroying one of the Oblivion Rings, for example).
I'm building a deck around that combo just to troll people ;)
Post by
Jubilee
Latest deck I'm trying out
Ballyrush Banneret x4
Captain of the Watch x3
Hero of Bladehold x2
Field Marshal x4
Cenn's Tactician x4
Preeminent Captain x4
Champion of the Parish x2
Veteran Armorer x4
Gideon's Lawkeeper x3
Brave the Elements x4
Swords to Plowshares x4
Conqueror's Pledge x2
Daru Encampment x3
Plains x17
Cards that I want to include but I don't really have room for: Elspeth Knight-Errant, Elspeth Tirel, Martial Coup, Catapult Master, Kjeldoran Outpost, Darien, King of Kjeldor, Militia's Pride, Nomads' Assembly, Mobilization, and Benalish Commander. I'm think of sticking with the deck I made above, and then making another deck that focuses primarily on soldier token and Elspeth's ultimate.
Post by
Heckler
Kjeldoran Outpost was one of my favorite cards, the purplish border looks so awesome. My favorite deck back in Mirage had one of those (because that's all I could afford) and a couple Sacred Mesas. Like most of my decks, it didn't work too well, but it was fun =)
I looked up all the cards in your decklist I didn't recognize -- I love Conqueror's Pledge, and also the art on Hero of Bladehold. No Gideon's Avenger or Elite Inquisitor though eh? I really like those two.
I was thinking about building a deck around this guy:
Invisible Stalker
-- Gatherer comments make him sound like the most annoying creature possible, lol.
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Jubilee
I was thinking about building a deck around this guy:
Invisible Stalker
-- Gatherer comments make him sound like the most annoying creature possible, lol.
He's a serious pain in standard, you can do so many different things with him and most of the time all your opponent can do is pull out his or her hair =P
My favorite thing to do in that soldier deck so far is to drop Preeminent Captain turn 3, attack turn 4 and have him bring in Captain of the Watch which in turn bring in 3 tokens. All for no mana <3
Post by
Jubilee
Elspeth Tirel x4
Hero of Bladehold x2
Preeminent Captain x2
Martial Coup x4
Catapult Master x2
Darien, King of Kjeldor x2
Captain of the Watch x3
Raise the Alarm x4
Militia's Pride x3
Decree of Justice x2
Nomads' Assembly x2
Conqueror's Pledge x3
Rise of the Hobgoblins x3
Brave the Elements x4
This has an absolutely horrible mana curve, but there are so few cheap token generators that I can't see any way around it.
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Heckler
That's such a brutal card because its guaranteed to mill a land, so the only way for the opponent to draw a land is if there's 2 in a row -- how irritating xD
I'm looking for an interesting Innistrad card to build a deck around. Back in Time Spiral, I had a deck built around
Momentary Blink
that was just crazy fun, kinda threw people off.
Here's the current candidate list, any ideas would be appreciated =)
Bloodline Keeper
(A deck built around this would just be a vampire deck I guess)
Curse of Death's Hold
(Dont' think this makes a good "build a deck around me" card, but hm)
Evil Twin
(I dunno, feels like a fun gimmick, would be fun to bounce).
Heretic's Punishment
(this self-milling idea to fill up the graveyard seems useful)
Laboratory Maniac
(I love this card... not sure if I could make it work, but it looks fun).
Ludevic's Test Subject
(Might be fun in a non-standard Counter manipulation deck, is there other cards like
Clockspinning
?)
Self-milling ideas:
Mindshrieker
Mirror-mad Phantasm
Nephalia Drownyard
Post by
Jubilee
Bloodline Keeper is too slow of a vampire to build much a of a deck around. It's good to have a copy or two, but if you've already got 5 vampires out on turn five you most likely are winning anyway.
Curse of Death's Hold is a situational sideboard card at best imo
I have yet to see Evil Twin in play, so it could be interesting
Ludevic's Test Subject would be a beautiful alternate win-condition in any blue proliferate deck
But I think you'd have the best luck with a self-milling flashback deck with Heretic's Punishment, Burning Vengeance, Laboratory Maniac, and Skaab Ruinator.
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Post by
hatman555
Yeah. I was actually really sad when they removed mana-burn. That actually made it a more strategic effort to do certain kinds of combos and stuff. There's just no consequence in the game anymore.
I recently played in a draft tournament for a friend. Since I had not bought cards since Mirage, and only played with my older decks, the rule change was lost on me. I challenged my opponent when he started tapping his entire stack of land, and using multi-mana sources with out counting. They told me the rules had changed and I went with it.
I beat him, because his habit of tapping more mana than he needed too left him exposed. Easy win. Bad rules make for bad habits.
Cheers,
Hat
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