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Post by
Adamsm
Sylvanas is the oldest sister; Alleria is the middle and Vereesa is the youngest...but I don't think you'll see a heartfelt redemption...I think you'll see Alleria put a bolt through Sylvanas head for all of the horror, pain and suffering the Queen of the Forsaken has released onto the world.
Post by
morginar
Well it comes down to how much she loves her family, will she be able to slay one of the few remaining Windrunners? Not that many running around.
Possibly if she becomes a Sin'dorei (And perhaps Ranger-general) she would spare her for the sake of Quel'thalas and the Forsaken-Blood elven relationship.
Then again Alleria might just kill herself...
Post by
Adamsm
Considering the massive hatred Alleria has for Orcs, there is a really little to low chance of her joining the Blood Elves. She'd more then likely go back to the Alliance, or go neutral if Turaylon joins the Crusade.
And if it meant 'freeing' Sylvanas from the 'horror' of Undeath, Alleria would probably do it in a minute.
Post by
morginar
Considering the massive hatred Alleria has for Orcs, there is a really little to low chance of her joining the Blood Elves.
Hatred created by the demise of her family members.
. She'd more then likely go back to the Alliance, or go neutral if Turaylon joins the Crusade
Sadly yes. The two Important elven bloodlines (Sunstrider, Windrunner) is now eaither dead or alliance, while the race is horde... *Sigh*
Post by
Adamsm
Considering the massive hatred Alleria has for Orcs, there is a really little to low chance of her joining the Blood Elves.
Hatred created by the demise of her family members.That's my point; she would not join up with a group who had killed her family, and had attacked her home land.
Post by
morginar
Considering the massive hatred Alleria has for Orcs, there is a really little to low chance of her joining the Blood Elves.
Hatred created by the demise of her family members.That's my point; she would not join up with a group who had killed her family, and had attacked her home land.
Then if she loves them so (to the point of doing genoside on the orcs), why would she kill Sylvanas without a thought or act of redemtion?
Post by
Adamsm
Well for one thing, her sister has joined with the Orcs, and for another, once she hears just what Sylvanas has been doing, she'll probably see it as a chance to free her oldest sister.
Post by
morginar
But would she act on words alone?
Post by
Adamsm
All she has to do is go through any of the lands that Sylvanas has ruined...and since Alleria is one of those who believed in protecting the land, finding out that Hillsbrad has been blighted, Gilneas ruined and all the rest is probably not gonna make her feel to pleasant towards her.
Post by
4dehorde
All she has to do is go through any of the lands that Sylvanas has ruined...and since Alleria is one of those who believed in protecting the land, finding out that Hillsbrad has been blighted, Gilneas ruined and all the rest is probably not gonna make her feel to pleasant towards her.
What lands has Sylvanas ruined? Tirisfal, Silverpine and both the Plaguelands were blighted by the Scourge. As for Hillsbrad, only Southshore, not the entire land, has been blighted. As for Gilneas, it has not been touched by any blight, whether it be the Plague of Undeath or Forsaken Blight.
Post by
Behelich
As for Hillsbrad, only Southshore, not the entire land, has been blighted.
Southshore alone would have been a despicable, unforgivable crime - as is any time Blights is used. However, Hillsbrad Foothills also have the Sludge Fields, where the few surviving humans were corralled and experimented on.
You have come upon a horrific scene. Someone or something has buried all of the humans up to their necks in a manner consistent with planting. The ghouls, which are seemingly tending the fields of human seedlings, periodically jump to the nearest human and devour its head!
And while that camp was wiped out, it was only due to its overseer experimenting on the Forsaken as well. Were it only the living he had been playing God with, something tells me he would have been left alone by the RAS.
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Post by
4dehorde
Southshore alone would have been a despicable, unforgivable crime - as is any time Blights is used.
As previously stated, in all fairness Southshore was in fact a legitimate target. It was a military staging ground and supply port. While the civilian casualties were regretful, a lot of people did in fact evacuate before the attack, as evidenced by the sheer number of Hillsbrad humans that later became worgen on Fenris Isle. Sure their deaths and conversion to Forsaken were ordered before they became worgen, but in the end that didn't happen to too many of them.
And while that camp was wiped out, it was only due to its overseer experimenting on the Forsaken as well. Were it only the living he had been playing God with, something tells me he would have been left alone by the RAS.
Possibly, but you don't know that for certain. The Forsaken have experimented on captive humans in the past, which I will admit is sickening, but I've never seen Forsaken other than the traitor Stillwater use humans as ghoul food. Stillwater was quite insane, and certainly got what he deserved at the end of the Sludge Fields quest line.
It causes a painful, quick death.
Indeed it does. While the Blight is, like all chemical weapons, a horrific tool of war, it is certainly not the exact worst way to die. The Scarlet Crusade would burn people into ashes, both undead and living. I think slow horrific death by burning is worse than death by Blight. Maybe not by much, but still worse.
And another concern I'd like to address is this. If the Alliance had a powerful weapon that could cause miserable death like the Blight, would they hesitate to use it on the Forsaken?
Post by
Adamsm
Now I've got one question to ask:
Why is the blight so bad? Yes, it is a chemical weapon that permanently destroys any land it's used on. It causes a painful,
quick
death.
We have worse in our arsenals than the blight. Far worse.
As it's something that kills both the Living and the Dead, and ruins the land that it's used on, requiring dragon breath to cleanse it, it's the equivalent of a nuke. And sure the death is 'quick'...but having your flesh melt off your bones and your insides liquify is not a way I'd want to go.
And another concern I'd like to address is this. If the Alliance had a powerful weapon that could cause miserable death like the Blight, would they hesitate to use it on the Forsaken?
More then likely not; The Night Elves, Draenei, Gnomes, Dwarves and Pandarens would never use something like that. As for Humans and Worgens, if they did, you'd see the same thing that played out after the Battle of the Undercity.
Post by
Lordplatypus
I doubt it's really quick, the effects are about the same as how fast sarin or mustard gas works.
Think about that for a second.
If the Alliance had a powerful weapon that could cause miserable death like the Blight
Not only that, you are then doomed to a life of suffering and then a unending torture in the darkness.
It's something like say, the Mana bombs or the Divine bell.
What are all those things?
Horde plans.
EDIT:The Scarlet Crusade would burn people into ashes, both undead and living. I think slow horrific death by burning is worse than death by Blight. Maybe not by much, but still worse.
You overestimate burning to death compared to
melting to death while being poisoned and then cursed to a life of pain and darkness and then hell
I really don't see why the SC wanting to kill all the forsaken is wrong.
If I were asked if i had a button to simply raze all forsaken down, The only pause i would have is to check that's actually what it does, then i'll mash it like a frost mage mashes his face on a keyboard
Post by
4dehorde
More then likely not; The Night Elves, Draenei, Gnomes, Dwarves and Pandarens would never use something like that. As for Humans and Worgens, if they did, you'd see the same thing that played out after the Battle of the Undercity.
Maybe the draenei and pandaren, as they are the two noble races of the Alliance, but I honestly do not believe the dwarves, gnomes, and especially the night elves would show such restraint on the undead. We've seen the dwarves act horribly to a peaceful race like the tauren, so I cannot see them being any better to a darker race. I honestly got the sense that when the Stormpike were preparing to invade Hillsbrad, they were getting ready for a purge. At least we get to thwart their plans. And the gnomes often act right alongside their dwarven brethren.
As for the night elves, they certainly did not hesitate to exterminate the Shatterspear trolls, and I know their intentions for the orcs aren't too pretty either. The night elves aren't a peaceful race, they are a zealous one. The preservation of nature is a big thing for them as we all know, and if they see something they feel goes against that they take up arms in an instant. The undead certainly don't care much for the preservation of nature, and therefore I cannot see the night elves showing the Forsaken mercy in a potential battle.
You overestimate burning to death compared to melting to death while being poisoned and then cursed to a life of pain and darkness and then hell
I really don't see why the SC wanting to kill all the forsaken is wrong.
If I were asked if i had a button to simply raze all forsaken down, The only pause i would have is to check that's actually what it does, then i'll mash it like a frost mage mashes his face on a keyboard
I certainly do not think so. Death by fire is worse than death by Blight in my book. I feel, no pun intended, flesh burning is worse than flesh melting.
Its wrong because it is genocide, completely and absolute. In their zeal to destroy all undead the Scarlet Crusade became monsters themselves. Their blind hatred and bigotry doomed them in the end.
If you did that, I would have to ask, would you honestly think you were any better than another conqueror who had an entire civilization exterminated simply because they did not like them?
Post by
Adamsm
More then likely not; The Night Elves, Draenei, Gnomes, Dwarves and Pandarens would never use something like that. As for Humans and Worgens, if they did, you'd see the same thing that played out after the Battle of the Undercity.
Maybe the draenei and pandaren, as they are the two noble races of the Alliance, but I honestly do not believe the dwarves, gnomes, and especially the night elves would show such restraint on the undead. We've seen the dwarves act horribly to a peaceful race like the tauren, so I cannot see them being any better to a darker race. I honestly got the sense that when the Stormpike were preparing to invade Hillsbrad, they were getting ready for a purge. At least we get to thwart their plans. And the gnomes often act right alongside their dwarven brethren.The Tauren gave as good as they got in the original Barrens for that excavation. And there is a different between showing restraint and using a weapon of mass destruction such as the Blight; the Gnomes saw the effect of one of those on their homeland and would never use a similar thing, nor would the dwarves. The Dwarves have their honour after all. And to be completely fair, the only group that purged anyone in Hillsbrad were the Forsaken against the Alterac forces, who were attempting to take back the lands and, to their minds at least, provide peace to all of those people who died horribly in Southshore's Blight assault.
As for the night elves, they certainly did not hesitate to exterminate the Shatterspear trolls, and I know their intentions for the orcs aren't too pretty either. The night elves aren't a peaceful race, they are a zealous one. The preservation of nature is a big thing for them as we all know, and if they see something they feel goes against that they take up arms in an instant. The undead certainly don't care much for the preservation of nature, and therefore I cannot see the night elves showing the Forsaken mercy in a potential battle.
Again, mercy is not the same as using something like the Blight: The Night Elves love their lands far too much to ever use something that would poison it and corrupt it like the Blight; as you see during the quests in Hillsbrad, nothing living is going to be able to survive in the ruins of Southshore. Since the Night Elves have an aversion to the power of the Legion, and Necromancy is the core of the Forsaken, it's not hard to understand why they would feel the need to purge them from Azeroth. As for Night Elves/Orcs...yeah that's a war that's been raging for 10 years, and is up there with Humans vs Orcs; there is never going to be a good ending to either side for those conflicts....and it's not like the Orcs under Hellscream haven't been trying to wipe out every Night Elf they came across as well.
Post by
Lordplatypus
Being hit by a flamethrower is a suprisingly sudden death, the typical witch burning took alot of skill to create, because the flames would usually kill too fast. On the other hand, melting to death would involve every single part of your skin being melted off, than the muscle and finally bone.
There is no such thing as genocide if it wasn't alive in the first place.
The forsaken should not exist at all.
Dreadlords turning good people (Arthas) into monsters is not uncommon, the scarlet crusade was in fact right in thinking the forsaken should all burn, what they did wrong was to think other groups slightly less willing to do what was needed (Ie. Tirion) were heretics.
EDIT:Night Elves/Orcs...yeah that's a war that's been raging for 10 years, and is up there with Humans vs Orcs;
Actually, it's under High elves/trolls Humans/orcs Living/undead Dwarf/Orc. 10 years of war is short in WoW time.
Post by
Monday
So the blight is okay? What about chemical weapons irl? Shall we just ignore the Geneva convention, then?
Post by
Lordplatypus
As i noted before, the blight's results is comparable to sarin in how fast it operates.
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