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Post by
Behelich
Demons are also sentient.
In any conflict between a living sentient being and a forsaken the former has the higher ground simply because the forsaken are things that must not be. Sure, it is not their fault that they were torn from the afterlife, but they still, by nature, are walking perversions of everything that is good and natural.
Post by
Lordplatypus
If steve jobs rose from the dead and demanded his shares in apple be given back to him, along with the rest of his stuff, would the government agree?
Post by
Adamsm
If he could provide the proper information and sign the papers saying he's alive again, they would.
Post by
Lordplatypus
Would they? He's still medically "Dead".
Post by
Adamsm
He's walking, he's talking, he's thinking, he's moving around; all of those show 'life', and if he can prove it really is him, they wouldn't have much of a choice.
Post by
Lordplatypus
Would they?
Objectively speaking, he is "Dead" and in fact a decaying corpse come to life claiming to be steve jobs. The reaction would most likely be "KILL IT WITH FIRE" and if he gets around
that
he's still "Dead" his vital signs prove it.
Post by
Adamsm
And until there is a actual specific law that dead men can't hold lands or own companies, he would be able to take it over.
There isn't any laws in Azeroth, as far as we are aware, that say the dead can't hold lands. You also speak of the will: If those Forsaken wrote the will, the fact that they are back seems to imply that they have the right to over turn their choice at any time.
The fact is though, be they undead or not, the Forsaken are members of Lordaeron, and do have just as much right to the lands as the living 'survivors'; and again, at this point in time, the Forsaken out number the living ones.
Post by
Lordplatypus
Exactly my point, there's no laws either way. But common sense dictates that the dead should stay dead. The forsaken are not. What gives them the right to have a second life? What lets them deny people who are still living their land?
Exactly
The forsaken is a military occupation of lordaeron that should be destroyed as soon as physically possible but it won't since forsaken players would QQ so much about them not having plot armor.
Post by
Adamsm
You realize you can reverse that for the Forsaken right?
What gives the living survivors any more right, especially when there aren't enough of them to viably use all of the lands?
And you can't really have an occupation of lands when it's being held by people who were there originally.
Post by
Behelich
The living survivors have more right because they are just that - living. The continued existence of the tumor that is the forsaken foothold on Lordaeron only further corrupts the land, and unless they give up conscripting more unwilling souls into the host, by the time the last forsaken is no more Lordaeron is a desolate wasteland, highly unlikely to recover.
Now, on the other hand, it is still salvageable.
Post by
Adamsm
And there's the other side of the coin; Tirisfal, Capital City, Silverpine and Hillsbrad are all inhospitable at this point for the living, so even if they tried to take it back, they would not be able to survive for long.
Post by
Behelich
And yet, if given to the living, the tainted lands can, at best, be cured. At worst, this affliction can be contained rather than allow it to spread any further.
Post by
Skreeran
I know my Forsaken Priest--a person who tries to preach peace and coexistence with the Living--would probably object to some Stormwind family bulldozing his old house, which had been in his family for years and years, and which his wife and child died in.
Post by
oneforthemoney
I know my Forsaken Priest--a person who tries to preach peace and coexistence with the Living--would probably object to some Stormwind family bulldozing his old house, which had been in his family for years and years, and which his wife and child died in.
Well, the question does arise of what he intends to do with it after he dies (again) himself. It's not like the Forsaken can have heirs unless they appoint someone or off a member of their yet living family tree.
Post by
Skreeran
I know my Forsaken Priest--a person who tries to preach peace and coexistence with the Living--would probably object to some Stormwind family bulldozing his old house, which had been in his family for years and years, and which his wife and child died in.
Well, the question does arise of what he intends to do with it after he dies (again) himself. It's not like the Forsaken can have heirs unless they appoint someone or off a member of their yet living family tree.Well, I would suppose that can be settled when it happens. At the moment, despite being biologically dead, I would imagine that he would still feel entitled to reside on his family land. To kill him and take his land wouldn't be right.
Post by
Behelich
Azeroth is a world of magic with no clearly defined boundaries. Legal matters will always be majorly confused because, for example, one might easily create counterfeit documents or documents that change their text in time. How does the legislative system handle it is not addressed, but I have a feeling that most of the arcanists in service to the Crown/Warchief's Pauldrons are having their hands full liquefying public enemies.
It is similar to the Culling, in that in the Real World, there is no excuse for killing innocents, but in Azeroth, unfortunate though it may be, forcibly euthanizing those infected by the Plague of Undeath is not only warranted, but the only way to prevent a zombie outbreak. Remember, even the Naaru, the supposed personifications of Light, could do nothing.
Likewise, we cannot say for certainly anything about the legal matters where magic is involved - especially such dark and loathsome as necromancy.
Besides, Skree, does your peaceful priest care for his land? From what we have seen so far, the forsaken are effectively strip-mining the land, perhaps knowing that they have no future generations to be concerned about. Now, if they were actively striving to preserve their home and leave a legacy worthy of a civilized nation, then the argument could be made it is wrong to take the land from them. Now, with their scorched earth policy? Not so much.
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355559
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Post by
Behelich
I
am
defending the Culling there.
And yes, Light, because that 'thing that makes you function' is perverse and wrong in its nature. I truly believe that the undead would be better off in their natural state, meaning, dead and buried, or cremated, or whichever is appropriate.
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