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Post by
Skreeran
Not gonna get in an argument here. Just gonna say Taurajo made as much sense from a military perspective as Southshore.
We can't really argue about war crimes here, because as far as we can tell, they don't have any sort of International Law on Azeroth, so there's no such thing as a war crime.
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355559
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Post by
Behelich
For curiosity's sake, I'll ask the OP a question: what, exactly, was the point of creating this thread in the first place?
It is clear that you (4dehorde) are not going to change your opinion on the topic; I'm also going, on the basis of you being capable of some semblance of intelligent speech, to make an assumption of you
not
being an idiot, and therefore having enough mental faculties to understand that, with your phrasing, you are not going to convince anyone to change their opinion as well. Therefore, what is happening here is not a 'discussion', since that term implies parties exchanging arguments to reach some sort of a common grounds; what is happening here is 'preaching' - you are laying out your point of view, never intending to change it, and you are aggressively trying to lobby it as the absolute truth.
You know what they say about opinions; they are like genitalia - everyone has one, it is normal to be proud of it, but kindly stop shoving it into other people's faces. That's just not proper.
Post by
Lordplatypus
This should be put down But i have to hammer one thing.
The Alliance did NOTHING wrong at taurajo.
We let them escape through a hole in our lines we put in ON PURPOSE. we WANTED them to flee and to only kill the military forces, Taurajo was a friking training ground/bottleneck southshore was neither.
Southshore was unprovoked mass murder, Taurajo was the destruction of a military objective.
Is it our fault that some quillboars did something smart to them and took advantage?
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355559
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Post by
Lordplatypus
What did the Alliance do wrong at Taurajo? They purposefully left a hole in their line for civilians to escape did they not?
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355559
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Post by
morginar
They purposefully left a hole in their line for civilians to escape did they not?
The commander did, and he acted on his own, not on the behalf o the alliance. And to quote from him:
Tell me what happened at Taurajo. (player)
Ah yes, our assault on the Horde town of Taurajo. I struggled with the implications of the decision.
Taurajo was admittedly what you might call a 'soft target,' primarily a hunters' camp. Still, it had been used to recruit, equip, and train Horde infantry for many years.
When our scouts reported that Taurajo's most dangerous units were out on the hunt, we had to act quickly.
We sacked the town? (player)
<Hawthorne wrinkles his brow.>
I would prefer not to use the term 'sacked,' but yes, the attack went off flawlessly. We removed Taurajo from the equation, confiscated its arms, and destroyed its smithing facilities. The assault gave our forces considerable breathing room and knocked the enemy off balance.
Nonetheless, during the assault, I instructed my men to leave a gap open in our lines...
Why did you do that? (player)
Taurajo had a significant civilian population. I wanted to ensure that they could escape the fighting, and many did, finding refuge in the north.
There are some, even in Alliance High Command, who argued that I let an opportunity slip away. That I should've taken hostages. But I don't see the value in those sort of terror-tactics.
Hear me out, Aratos: I want this war to end someday. It won't ever stop if we butcher or imprison civilians.
I just pray that there are those on the other side who see things as I do.
In short, alliance raided a town and killed civilans, but the commander allowed room for some to retreat, but not all made it.
Post by
Lordplatypus
When did they kill civillians? The Flight master and others who fought back don't count btw.
Post by
morginar
When did they kill civillians? The Flight master and others who fought back don't count btw.
Taurajo had a significant civilian population. I wanted to ensure that they could
escape the fighting, and many did
, finding refuge in the north.
The commander doesn't want to openly claim he killed civilians, but it is writen with a minor bit of subtuley.
Many escaped the fighting, but not all, the soliders persumpley still followed the original plan and killed on sight.
Still, the plan was to kill and capture tauren civilans and use them as hostage. THAT was the plan with the alliance seal of aproval.
Warden Stillwater could be the horde counterpart of him.
General Hawthorne showed mercy when he shouln't. Warden Stillwater performed unspeakable acts of horror that he shouln't done. Both died becouse of these actions.
Both of these don't show the colors of the factions as they don't follow them, one is whiter, the other is darker, than the faction that they serve but disobeyed.
Post by
Lordplatypus
Who said Stillwater was any darker than an average forsaken?
An average forsaken would do things that would make people like Mengele or Pol pot would consider absolutely unspeakable on a daily basis.
Post by
morginar
Who said Stillwater was any darker than an average forsaken?
Master Apothecary Lydon would be the man. This he is a higher up in RAS, i think?
An average forsaken would do things that would make people like Mengele or Pol pot would consider absolutely unspeakable on a daily basis.
That would be the streotype that the forsaken is all a bunch of power hungry mad sientist of RAS and makes random evil laughter that made the parody known as Stillwater.
And there is the sterotype that alliance is all holier than tho and is unable to do an evil act and the only desire they posses is that of pece between the races that made the parody know as Hawthorne.
And both died becouse of their actions, mercy created vengance and evil demanded justice.(guess the moral of the story here?)
Black and white characters can't exist becouse they would suffer greatly to their acts of pure good or evil... I guess?
If you want a black and white world, then we will get more of these characters and it will get rather dull.
I rather have gray characters, more intresting in the end realy.
Post by
Monday
Whoa wait, Taurajo WAS a military target, then, if it equipped and trained soldiers. Hmm, guess it was a viable target, then...
Post by
morginar
Whoa wait, Taurajo WAS a military target, then, if it equipped and trained soldiers. Hmm, guess it was a viable target, then...
I'm more curious if Southshore and Tarren Mill was a military target. Is there a npc or something that lays such a claim?
Right now i can only assume that Thassarian and his army came by boat to Southshore, refiled supplies there and marched north to Androhal. It's logical, but alas it's only a assumtion.
Post by
Lordplatypus
Black and white characters can't exist
I point you towards the Pandaren.
Half of them are black and white, the other half are redish brown and white.
More seriously though, can they do ANY wrong?
Plus, Lydon, this so called pillar of forskane morality is a freaking sociopathic sadist.
"I yearn to run experiments with... fresh venom... have ordered a collection of small, terribly cute animals on which to test it!"
— Apothecary Lydon
The only problem he had with stillwater was that he touched a
ape
forsaken and
ape shall never kill ape
forsaken are off limits.
What are they? Some kind of master race?
Post by
Snake387
Ok, basically I think that Lordraedon belongs to the worgen because they were ONCE human and the forsaken have taken their land so it's only fair that the worgen get to take the forsaken's land. Simple.
Post by
Atik
Ok, basically I think that Lordraedon belongs to the worgen because they were ONCE human and the forsaken have taken their land so it's only fair that the worgen get to take the forsaken's land. Simple.
...
The Gilneans have no claim to Lordarean. Considering they locked themselves away before the Third War even happened, iirc.
Post by
morginar
Black and white characters can't exist
I point you towards the Pandaren.
Half of them are black and white, the other half are redish brown and white.
More seriously though, can they do ANY wrong?
Plus, Lydon, this so called pillar of forskane morality is a freaking sociopathic sadist.
Morality, not skin color...
"I yearn to run experiments with... fresh venom... have ordered a collection of small, terribly cute animals on which to test it!"
— Apothecary Lydon
The only problem he had with stillwater was that he touched a forsaken and forsaken are off limits.
What are they? Some kind of master race?
That quote you pulled up is a pun on how sience is doen irl. First we use lab-rats, and then we move to larger creatures like test-bunnies, who are terribly cute.
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Something that came to mind
.))
And source for that claim? For me he seem pissed on the Scourge wanabe, mindless undead are undesired in the forsaken society. As seen in Deathkneel. Stillwater created such on humans and forsaken.
Ok, basically I think that Lordraedon belongs to the worgen because they were ONCE human and the forsaken have taken their land so it's only fair that the worgen get to take the forsaken's land. Simple.
...
The Gilneans have no claim to Lordarean. Considering they locked themselves away before the Third War even happened, iirc.
And thats why forsaken dislike Gilneans with all of their unbeating heart.
Post by
Lordplatypus
The aberrations that have the key to my cage are former Forsaken. Stillwater's experiments have the side effect of turning Forsaken into mindless zombies. Why do you think he's so afraid of letting this out? He knows that such a crime is punishable by true death.
Something the %^&*!@ says himself.
Post by
Atik
Also, I'm real happy for all of you, and I'mma let you finish.
But the Forsaken have Blight.
They're going to cover the Eastern Kingdoms in it. They own the Blight, so they own what it covers.
Ergo, they'll own Eastern Kingdoms.
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