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Ok lets not get hung up on the name mix up. Thinking Satanism means the worship of Satan is a fair mistake. So lets take the question in the context that you originally meant it. Is devil worship a good or evil religion?
It's still a dumb question because you are taking the most extreme possible example and trying to apply a general rule to it. It's like earlier when Sold tried to use an example of what if God started commanding people to rape each other.
First and foremost because most of the people who actually worship the devil are mentally ill, and the rest are more than likely half assing it to piss off their parents or something. Secondly because the devil is an entity in a religion centered around a different God. He's not portrayed as a god himself.
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"First and foremost because most of the people who actually worship the devil are mentally ill"
Is that based on actual research or your personal opinion? I'm actually curious.
It's something I read in a scholarly article when doing research fr a philosophy paper a while back. It was talking about how rumors of Satanic cults and rituals were around like crazy in the 70s and 80s, but most of the people involved in the rare legitimate instances were mentally disturbed. I can't quote numbers or anything for you, but it's also kind of common sense when you think about it. The classic idea of a devil worshiper is somebody who believes in God and the Devil, and chooses Satan. Most rational people wouldn't make a choice like that.
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Slaughtering is a fair word, or smiting or just plain killing. I'm not saying murder is the wrong word because I want it to have positive connotations. As opposed to Skreeran who is obviously pushing the word just to give it a more negative feel.
If you want to say God slaughtered or massacred the people in Egypt that's fine, but murder is an inappropriate word for the reasons I already mentioned. Again, it's not because I'm saying the killings were justified (although I'm not saying they weren't either, it's just not the issue we're discussing), it's because murder is something that takes place between peers of relatively equal standing. God can't "murder" a human being any more than a human being can "murder" a dog. They can slaughter a dog, but it's not murder.
I think you're taking the definition of murder too literally.
Words are important.
And in regards to Satan worship, last I checked, he seems far more appealing to me than god.
That's because you don't believe in God or Satan. If you did then you wouldn't say something that foolish. The whole point of Satan is that what he offers is of course more appealing to somebody who doesn't have God in their life.
If you actually believed there was an all powerful God who could give you an eternity in paradise, then you would have to be a complete idiot, or insane, to consciously throw that away to serve a lesser, weaker, evil creature. I'm assuming you really just didn't think through what you said.
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Slaughtering is a fair word, or smiting or just plain killing. I'm not saying murder is the wrong word because I want it to have positive connotations. As opposed to Skreeran who is obviously pushing the word just to give it a more negative feel.
If you want to say God slaughtered or massacred the people in Egypt that's fine, but murder is an inappropriate word for the reasons I already mentioned. Again, it's not because I'm saying the killings were justified (although I'm not saying they weren't either, it's just not the issue we're discussing), it's because murder is something that takes place between peers of relatively equal standing. God can't "murder" a human being any more than a human being can "murder" a dog. They can slaughter a dog, but it's not murder.
I think you're taking the definition of murder too literally.
Words are important.
A person is a sapient being (which does not only include humans). God is a sapient being. God killing humans for unjustifiable reasons=murder.
I'm not getting into this debate again. Reading your posts anymore is going to make me snap and go against the very advice I gave to EluraE about 10 minutes ago.
Saying we are sapient beings and God is a sapient being does not make us equals. By that logic a squirrel is sentient, and a human being is sentient, therefore a human being killing a squirrel is murder.
Picking a low bar and saying that anything above that bar is on equal footing is poor reasoning.
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A person killing a squirrel for no reason is wrong, but it's not murder.
And for the record God never killed anybody in the Bible for no reason. He killed people for what you may consider trivial reasons, but no more so than the reasons we use to kill lesser beings every day.
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God isn't a sapient being though; God/The One whatever the hell you want to call It, is above things such as good and evil, right and wrong, and everything else that lies in morals and humanity itself.
A human trying to ponder God's plan is like an ant trying to figure out what a human is doing: Impossible. However, the one thing that God is about is Free Will: Whatever choices someone makes, it's completely on them. It does not mean that just because you kill someone in the name of the Lord you'll end up in Heaven. Evil done in the name of Good is still Evil after all.
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God isn't a sapient being though; God/The One whatever the hell you want to call It, is above things such as good and evil, right and wrong, and everything else that lies in morals and humanity itself.
A human trying to ponder God's plan is like an ant trying to figure out what a human is doing: Impossible.
That's exactly what I've been saying. An ant is even too sophisticated an example if you believe in an omniscient and omnipresent God. It's more like an amoeba trying to figure out how a human being thinks.
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God isn't a sapient being though; God/The One whatever the hell you want to call It, is above things such as good and evil, right and wrong, and everything else that lies in morals and humanity itself.
No he's not, he doesn't get a free pass for being "mightier", that means nothing, literally, nothing. Why does him being smarter/whatever give him free pass to do whatever he wants? Why? Can we start killing mentally handicapped people because they're "lesser"? Maybe he's just a jackass who likes to abuse his power.
Would you stop doing that. You are either deliberately using misleading examples or not thinking them through. A healthy person and a handicapped person are peers on the same level. Comparing God with a human being is not the same thing. That would be like comparing a human being with a bacterium. And nobody is saying that God should indiscriminately kill people for the hell of it, nor is he ever depicted as doing that in the Bible.
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Considering It's God...yes Sold, It really is.
It's still someone's free will to go out and murder someone; God isn't forcing it.
And the fact is, the way God is set up, It's meant to be impossible to understand or figure out.
Sure you can rail and rage all you want...but to be completely honest? That's your free will working right there.
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