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lengthycobra69
Greetings fellow Warlocks. With every expansion comes new things and of course new complaints. I have been reading topics here and there and of course seeing many complain topics as always or not any kind of answers, I decided to make my own thread. This will be lengthy so you may not want to stay lol.
I have only dungeon ran as des to get to 87. I don't know if you like NOXXIC, but I like the easy navigation of the site. They currently have Aff as first, Demon as second, Des as third. Before we go deeper, I thought Des was supposed to be top but ok. I used Demon for all of Cata. But NOXX says they are using tier 14 and sim so I am trying to take their word for it.
1. Speccs: Pros and cons your views. Myself:
Des Pro: I love the new Des and the 200k plus Chaos Bolts. The rotation is very simple. Con: I feel at times embers can be a pain to build, also they go down over time. Before a pull this can be annoying.
Demon: Pro is can use meta when we want, great for situational fights so you don't lose dps. Con: stance dancing can be annoying for some, also the felguard seems broken for me. Did dragon soul the weekend before panda, every pull before morchock he died. I have also seen many locks losing him on trash in heroic runs.
Aff: Pro is supposedly highest dps of the three. Con i see is dots before were better for movement, could dot away and because only shadow bolt was a filler, still do good dps. Relying on Mael Grasp can hurt dps for movement.
2. Grimoires. Kinda lost on these so feel free to let me know. As des been using sac. Extra dmg, higher Chaos Bolts and conflag etc. Noxx has using suprem and the observer. Why is this you feel? i also checked stats. The observer and imp have the exact same dps. But you can get the glyph for demon training where imp casts faster which would mean more dps then the observer right?
Aff everyone noxx included seems to favor sac grim. Why? I would assume because the pets can't match the extra dmg all the dots would be doing. Demon favors using 2 felguards. Again my only issue with this is them dying because i also know the wrathguard was broken unless he has been fixed?
3. talents. except for 90 I know each one and enjoy them.
4. Rotation for Aff. Ok before what I knew of Aff was starting off with Haunt. Noxx has the order as Coe, Agony, Corrup, Unstable then Haunt, unless I am reading it wrong. What do you use and why? Only thing I could see about casting Haunt last is you would not have to recast is so soon. On a dummy after casting the 3, I had to recast it immediately and ate all 4 shards very fast.
Last I have been seeing alot of people not like Aff and aoe, Does this seem to be an issue for you and why? Thank you for reading all this lol. Will be awaiting responses.
Post by
Atik
I use Icy Veins for my builds and rotation advice, personnally.
While the stats might list the Felhunter and Imp as having the same DPS, their abilities set them apart. Currently, Felguard is the highest DPS demon, as he should usually be, with Felhunter being the highest for non-demonology warlocks.
The Felhunter's Spell lock ability is also more useful, both against Trash and a number of bosses. The Imp's biggest thing going for is the Stamina buff, which can be provided by other classes if they are around and should be for the sake of adding to overall DPS.
From what I've read, non-demonology warlocks prefer Sacrifice over the other choices, as you already pull far more of your total DPS than your demon does. (I'm also biased against the Observer because I love the felpuppy. So hey)
My own Warlock is 85, and Demonology/Destruction, personnally. I personnally found Demonology more fun, but Destruction was definately easier to understand and manage.
Post by
Fingulfin
1: As far as maximum possible DPS goes,
Destro falls far behind the pack
while aff has a very solid lead.
The new demo play-style is very different, and as always requires the most amount of attention to DoT timers, cooldowns and procs out of all warlock specs...
I've always had a soft spot in my heart for Destro, but Destro never seems to be a contender for top DPS in raids =/ Not sure whats up with that.
As always though, unless you are filling a very specific role in your raid's composition, play what you find most fun. Except at the very highest gear levels on cutting edge progression, you will probably perform best playing your favorite spec anyway.
2: Grimoires: For aff,
Sac
is best. Not much to it other than raw math. Sac is nice anyway, managing a pet can be obnoxious on some fights (don't hurt me for saying that D=)
3: Other than your grimoire choice, talents have no bearing on your DPS.
4: For Affliction rotation, CoE (If no other class is applying it) > Agony > Corr > UA > Haunt when you have shards and haunt isn't up already > Drain Soul (<25%) > Malefic Grasp
PS: Yes,
Aff has issues with AoE
xD
Post by
lengthycobra69
atik: thanks for the response. whenever i make a topic first thing i think is ok what jerk responses am i going to get.
well i do agree that the felguard should be our best pet. i have loved him since bc. Problem was as i assume you know is all during cata he was only used for a buff cause of demon soul.
ya i know now why aff uses sac for. im in mogushan palace and 50% dmg increase! ya no wonder aff wont use a pet. Sucks that demon and des don't benefit as much. I will remember what you said about the felpup and imp but again in terms of dps, if i play des, the imp seems the way to go if you subtract the spells as you said
Post by
lengthycobra69
fing: 1. ya as noxxic said as well about aff and des and hey i will play what is best for my dps output. just sucks i like des lol. Ya again i read blue posts by blizz saying des will be top dps for 90 raids and i guess time will tell since noxic is using simcraft so.
ya i found out myself about sac and aff. yes with the rotation why is haunt last i have to ask? i would assume in theory you would want it on first so every dot tick is doing more dps. why apply it last?
yes aff aoe i been using soulburn and seed of corrup. i been reading alot of locks talking about soulswap but i cant see that helping 5 or more mobs and everyone loves aoe pulls, dam sure in the brewery lol.
i can just see spamming harvest life i guess. as des of course i would use fire and brim/immol then watch the embers fly, then just use fire and brim/incin. great numbers.
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Post by
lengthycobra69
Ty Gan for posting, yes it did help and i admit i suspected that was the reason for haunt because i didn't play aff much in cata but didn't haunt last longer lol.
i also made a similar topic on the wow forums and been getting some helpful tips as well as yours . I will ask you this as i asked there. For questing in jade forest, casting SB:SS seems great for questing.
however during a raid boss, wouldn't that eat up shards too fast instead of hard casting? Also when all 3 dots burn up, use a shard to recast them or hard cast each?
Just seems like using SB:SS is great for instant dots, but would that overall kill dps by losing the potential of keeping haunt up longer?
Post by
Caolela
@ OP: check out The Warlock's Den
http://wowmb.net/
for lots of good info.
Post by
Philll
@ OP: check out The Warlock's Den
http://wowmb.net/
for lots of good info.
Yea if you still play wolk is very good info indeed.
That site is obsolete.
edit: The forums are still active so yea, you might find some good info if you dig.
Post by
Caolela
I wouldn't say The Den is obsolete, though maybe a few parts need updating. Plenty of decent locks there that are active in Cata & MoP.
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