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Interest
If you are a DPS, it is because of the increased threat coefficient. In addition, the area is large enough that the ticks can aggro other mobs if used improperly.
However, if you can manage your threat and your ground-targeted aiming, then just use it (for the love of all that is holy don't use it before the tank does their aoe though)
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If you are a DPS, it is because of the increased threat coefficient. In addition, the area is large enough that the ticks can aggro other mobs if used improperly.
However, if you can manage your threat and your ground-targeted aiming, then just use it (for the love of all that is holy don't use it before the tank does their aoe though)
It's a pretty important part of unholy dps.
How much dps does a dead guy do? Make sure putting DnD down won't kill you (Same with any other dps aoe.) If it won't then by all means go balls to the wall aoe everything. Showing up lower on the meters and living is better than spiking to the top, dying and having your group laugh at you.
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Rankkor
That's odd, I always (read: Always) use it on 5mans, not only I don't get aggro, neither the tanks, nor the healers, nor the other DPS seem to mind. Tank Threat got buffed to infinity, I just wait for them to use any of their AoEs (Thunderclap, thrash, swipe, hammer of the righteous, consecrate, blood boil, D&D, ect) and then I unleash mine, with no contemplation, or hesitation. It has never backfired on me.
Granted, I've only done this on higher levels. I assume that in the level 60 bracket, it would be too strong and cause needless aggro spikes. But otherwise, I see no reason to not use this thing on an AoE situation.
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Problimatic
You've never been in an instance with an undergeared tank as an overgeared dps? Heck, this past week when people switched to their MoP mains for our raid group we had a new tank, and since his gear wasn't on the same level as some of our dps mains that were remaining on that character, sometimes dps got aggro for a seconds because they went full on dps at the start. Wasn't really a problem, since it was just Heroic DS farm, but still it happened.
You responded to Interest who was saying to wait for the tank to use their aoe (Get initial aggro), by saying "Its an important part of unholy dps." Why thank you mister genious, none of us were aware that Death and Decay did aoe damage for unholy death knights. Here is your nobel prize for discovering it. I reaffirm to let the tank get initial aggro, then you have a rant in which you claim that situation never happens, and all tanks always have aggro unless they are bad. Then its the bad tank's fault you took aggro and died. Yet.... You are the one who died. Adapt to the situation.
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Jaspirac
DK tanks use this at the top their pull rotation, dps DKs use it at the end of their opening rotation. As others mentioned if the tank can't hold agro deep into their rotation or yours, it's a tank problem.
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Adamsm
DK tanks use this at the top their pull rotation, dps DKs use it at the end of their opening rotation. As others mentioned if the tank can't hold agro deep into their rotation or yours, it's a tank problem.
Have you even read the thread, especially the last post?
As already said when you got someone that random aggro mobs and the tank may have some difficulty to grab all of them your DnD won't help at all, so, if the tank ask you to don't use it, you just do it.
Even if it's tank fault, why the hell would you still use it and make the run a pain? It's just common sense in my opinion.
Because when it comes to large packs of mobs, it's a lot better to have all of said mobs there at the tank; really, it's not a bad thing to throw down DnD during an AoE pull, especially as Unholy, since you'll be wanting to spread your diseases around anyways, which means that if you are working with a tank with a not very good command of his own AoE tanking abilities, you'll be helping to keep them in one place and not go running after the healers or range.
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Well that's the major thing: DnD doesn't cause that much aggro in Unholy presence. I've stolen aggro with my diseases more often then I have with dropping a death and decay. But yes, if the tank is having threat issues, then why shouldn't a dk 'help' by making sure the aoe pack is grouped up in one location rather then spread out; but really, with Consecration, Heroic Leap and Thunderclap, Blood Death and Decay and whatever current attack that Guardian druids use for aoe threat, a dps DK shouldn't be stealing the aggro unless said dps is in the wrong presence.
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