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Post by
dragonrom
hello all my fellow death knights.
Recently i started a heroic progression group with my friend which after ~5 weeks we are now 6/8 getting blackhorn the other night. My main spec has always been blood tank. however as i am sure you all know, many fights in DS are 1 tanked. Since our other tank doesnt have a dps spec, i was chosen to go dps these fights. My gear was crap going in, made of ruthless/vicious pvp gear, and some tank gear. So far my gear is looking great, have 2 heroic hand of morchoks (got the first two week) as soon as i got those i changed my spec to dw frost (using 2handed with my tank experimental spec slicer). I have been getting gear just now finally got my 4 set after getting a few tier pieces on heroic finally. Not much else has dropped on heroic, got a few things on normal and lfr.
here is my current gear
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/azuremyst/Leglon/advanced
I do have 2 pvp pieces left, and yes im replacing them as soon as i get some pve gear. i also have the 378 trinket i will replace asap
also sorry for any missing gems/ enchants im a bit forgetful, and am gonna make those as soon as im done with this post.
Now i believe my spec and reforges and all are ok, just a couple rating over 8% hit, and 26 exp, with stacking haste then mastery on everything i can.
I understand the basics of dps in general, as well as frost Dks.
Obliterate is my highest dps atk.
use howling blast only on procs so that it is free.
use cooldowns on cooldown, except when i need to save it for a few seconds or something for a burn phase/lust etc. (macroed all cooldowns including hands trinks etc into one macro giving me a very large strength boost)
and then i use outbreak on cooldown.
My main question comes with the KM proc and my obliterate and frost strike.
KM procs from basic attacks as we all know and makes my next obliterate or frost strike auto crit.
Now i am one of the players that prefers to kind of spam buttons, in a sense of i will spam a button until the GCD is over and the spell casts, then moving onto the next ability.
So i may spam obliterate until im out of runes, then spam frost strike, and use HB whenever i get a rime proc.
Now i understand fully that this is nowhere near optimum for dps, but it gets the job done decently.
I want to know some answers to scenarios about what ability is better to use
1) runes up, i get KM, hit obliterate, no question here
2) runes up, no KM proc, do i still want to use obliterate, or wait for a KM proc?
3) all runes down, KM procs, now sometimes it procs as im hitting frost strike so it gets used there, nothing i can do about that, but depending on the length of the cooldown on my runes, should i wait for obliterate, or can i use frost strike, without losing substantial dps? I am assuming this would change depending on how long the runes are down, if it is a second or two, i could understand waiting for the obliterate, and maybe use the downtime to cast something like horn of winter. but what if it is more like 5 or 6 seconds, aka i just used obliterate multiple times and my runes are down for a few seconds. do i wait, and fill the time with other abilities, or just use a frost strike and hope i get an empowerment proc to give me the runes for an obliterate if KM procs again?
Just thinking of this has made me stop spamming buttons but more so, trying to think about every ability i use because of the procs and, i can see there being a huge increase in dps if i do it a special way. I am just scared that i am using obliterates at the wrong time by not waiting for KM procs, and then wasting the procs on a frost strike. My dps is fine for now, ~25-30K depending on the fight + i never really count an exact dps as what i can do, but a range. It is enough to pull my weight as an off spec dps, but i want to be able to pull more and compete with the other dps in my group.
P.S. sorry for the long message, decided to throw in some background / other stuff that i may just be failing that you guys might be able to help with.
Thanks for any help / tips you guys can give. The wowhead community has always done a great job at helping me out!
Post by
DroRaz
2) In general: yes. Because of the way runes recharge, spending your runes is very important. If you're sitting on a unspent rune, you're waisting precious recharge time. If you read any good DK guide (and for that matter it doesn't even matter what spec it's intended for) you'll see that the top priority is basiclly "spend your runes".
Also, if you don't have a completely depleted rune you can't get any
Runic Empowerment
procs, and that's dps you're losing.
3) That's excatly what I do, but I'd rather not advice here as I'm not enough of an expert to know if it's optimal.
Post by
DraconisAerius
Generally if it's 4 or more seconds I hit FS anyway since quite often that will proc a free rune, and sometimes KM again. imo it's better to hit FS and take the chance of getting another proc than to lose that oppertuneity.
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Post by
Zakkhar
rotation for dk frost
1. frostfever/blood plague maintain at all times.
2.soul reaper on targets below 35% health.
3. Howling Blast with Rime
4.obliterate (2h weapon) or FrostStrike (DW) with Killing Machine
5.frost strike if RP will cap
6. obliterate
7. howling blast.
(noxxic.com check under tab for Rotation, on PVE side, go to Death Knights> then to Frost (when it loads)> go to Rotation itll show u AoE rotation, single target/mob target
That's kind of a basic rotation that for the most part. It isn't really correct either.
And whats incorrect about it?
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Zakkhar
Only part I was really able to completely understand, so I will address it.
Adress the statement, keep the personal stuff of it.
You use obiliterate so you can use 1 unholy rune.
You use obliterate because its your higest hitting ability. Regardless of what runes it uses. If its usable - it should be used.
If you use 2hander frost strike does about half the damage of Oblit due to
Might of the Frozen Wastes
, therefore Oblit is obviously higher in prio, for DW it changes due to lack of the latter and presence of the
.
Unholy rune? havent you mixed
Obliterate
with
Scourge Strike
? Or do you plan to spam Howling blast before any of this?
Rest of the statement is obviously dull... at least i dont understand what exactly you meant there:
Why do this? You do this so that when you frost strike, and indirectly Runic Empowerment, it does not refund you unholy runes.
Actually if we talk about same
Runic Empowerment
it activates any rune - unholy, death or frost. As long as its fully depleted. I am guessing what you meant was using Oblit to deplete one and only one (for no apparent reason). I see, seems you have read the icy-veins version (and only the DW section, yes i am aware thread is about DW)
http://www.icy-veins.com/frost-death-knight-wow-pve-dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities
which states that you should use Oblit when:
Both Frost/Unholy runes or both Death runes are available
what basically means ability to use Oblit (as it useses these pairs and they should only be used in pairs).
It has nothing to do with both Unholy runes.
In other words. Read with comprehension first - correct others later.
no %^&* its BASIC go check noxxic.com...as i have stated in my post on where i found it... and sad thing is the ROTATION is correct when its BASIC you *!@#in ^&*!@ :)
Your telling me a solid guide like noxxic doesnt even have Horn of Winter in the rotation.
You are/You're. Use any of these.
This is exactly what he is saying. And you could check that easily by entering the site. Hell i can even make that easier for you:
http://www.noxxic.com/wow/pve/death-knight/frost/dps-rotation-and-cooldowns
As you can see, no Horn of WInter in the GENERAL section (its there in the cooldowns section below).
Please keep it clean mate.
Look, the pot is calling the kettle black.
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Zakkhar
I think I may not have been very clear, this is for DW. Say you have both unholy runes up and you have 20 seconds left on blood plague. You have nothing useful to do but obliterate. So you do, and it puts 1 unholy rune on CD. Therefore, when you Frost Strike, RE won't refund a unholy rune because there are no fully depleted one. This makes it so that you can Howling Blast more.
You arent being very clear here either. It seems you complicate it for no reason or you just talking about masterfrost.
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