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Post by
ElhonnaDS
She definitely lived on mine- I had the optimal save-everyone ending of ME2. And I kept checking for her when I was on the citadel- she was just never there. Maybe a bug?
Post by
OverZealous
D'awwwwww
Who's a cute little krogan?
Yes you are, yes you are. (Man, who would had thought baby-krogans could look so mind-bogglingly CUTE?)
I... I think I might cry. That is so cute
:o
Post by
xlanadenx
seriously bioware, was it too much to ask to let us see Wrex holding his first baby krogan?
Yes, just like it was too much to let us have seen Tali's face instead of a stock photo.
Post by
Rankkor
Well, I've finished the game.
Final verdict: Awesome game, worthy of all those perfect scores, it "could" had been the best game of the saga, if not for the ending. That ending alone is the reason I'd give it a 9 out of 10 instead of a full 10.
Really crappy CRAPPY ending. Though I guess I've seen worst. Now that I think of it, games with actual good endings are rather rare, because when I try to recall games with satisfactory non-depressing endings, my list has come up short =/
So far, the following games, while awesome in almost every way, feature some of the worst endings ever: Half-life, Half-Life: Opposing Force, All of the games of Legacy of Kain (its just cliffhanger after cliffhanger and the worst part is: we are left hanging, they never really made a final chapter that brings resolution) all games of the Deus Ex Franchise, Metal Gear Solid 2, Mass Effect 3, Neverwinter Nights 2, Fallout 3 (before the expansion pack fixed it) and so many more.
I also realized something funny regarding the ME3, they are all pretty much a copy of the endings of Deus Ex 1.
Think about it, how did Deus Ex 1 ended? JC Denton reaches the final dungeon, set to finish the massive conspiracy set by the Majestic 12, finds out a MASSIVE A.I with god-like powers that has been shaping the history of the world for centuries, and what options are we given?
A: Control it, JC joins the Illuminati, Controls the AI Helios, and spares the Area 51 Complex.
B: Destroy it. JC triggers a massive nuclear explosion on the Area 51 Bunker, destroying Helios in the process, and sending the world into a dark age (since Helios controlled all global economy, and all computer systems worldwide)
C: Synthesis: JC Merges with Helios, Uploading him into his own nanotech implants, and becoming a god-like super being and shape the new destiny of the world.
=/ sounds familiar?
For the record, I chose the synth ending on ME3. Don't get me wrong, ALL of the endings SUCK, but this one is the one that sucks less, if anything, because at least Joker and EDI get their happy ending (even if NOBODY ELSE does, fans included)
I figured, better to have SOMEONE happy, than none at all.
Its such a shame that most videogames never have an ending that lives up to the quality of the rest of the product.
Yes, just like it was too much to let us have seen Tali's face instead of a stock photo.
I'm not too upset about that, if anything, because already a large part of the cast have their faces based on real-life people. Including Male Default Shepard, Joker, Anderson, Miranda, Illusive Man, Diana, and so many others. So having Tali be based on a real person rather than a unique design such as Thane or Liara isn't so bad. What was bad was that they didn't really made an in-game MODEL out of it. Ya know, tali removes her mask, puts down her cowl, and we see a 3D image of her face.
All-in-all, yeah, its a sour way to end a franchise THIS good. At least they said the ending is being revised. Beats the sucky endings so many other games have been stuck with.
And now, some impressions on the campaign:
>=( I hate that Kai Leng bastard. I stabbed the renegade interrupt to break his sissy sword before gutting him like a fish. In fact, during my fight with him, I didn't even used my weapons, I spamed charge, nova, and mega-punch on the sucker to kill him with my bare biotic hands. He's too much of a b1tch for bullets to do the job.
The Tuchanka and Ranoch parts of the campaign were MADE OF AWESOME. Every single bit was one succession of awesomeness after another, and I thoroughly enjoyed every single second of it. Specially my first reaper kill. Love the pre-asskicking oneliner my shepard can deliver the reaper when u take the renegade interrupt.
Reaper: Shepard, you cannot stop us, we are------ (interrupt)
Shepard: You are the ones who should be concerned (Pulls out big-ass weapon) Tell your friends
I
am coming for them. (BLAM!) Nevermind, I'll tell them myself.
The Thessia part was so sad =(, and as I said above, the earth part was great up to the last 10 minutes. Auch =/(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##asakawa##DELIM##You campaigned so hard for a spoiler free thread, remember that you weren't the only one that wanted that.
Post by
Thror
Oh, so now that you finished it, we do not have to use spoiler tags anymore. Interesting.
Here is a
meme vid
of how Hitler finds out about the Mass Effect 3 ending. Contains spoilers obviously, and also a lot of profanity.
I also found a secret
purple ending
. (also spoilers I guess)
Post by
Rankkor
Oh, so now that you finished it, we do not have to use spoiler tags anymore. Interesting.
not quite.
Well, its been pretty much a month since the game was released. At this point anyone who wanted to play it, already has finished the game by now. Sorta defeats the purpose of using spoiler tags.
=/
Plus, considering how controversial and infamous the endings have been, pretty much anyone with even the slightest interest in the franchise, already knows them inside out. There comes a point where the tags aren't quite needed due to the wide-spread knowledge of the plot. We don't use spoiler tags on the skyrim thread anymore do we? I wanted the thread to remain spoiler free while the game was on pre-release (And as such, any "spoilers" would had been leaked, or baseless rumors) and while the game was still in early release (as there would still be people who hadn't finished it) but after a month, most people should had finished it already.
I've already known the plot of ME3 way before I had a chance to play it. The game only reached my country a this sunday, and I just couldn't wait that long to know the plot, so about 10 days after the game was released, I read a summary of the entire plot on the mass effect wikia, and saw some of the most important moments on youtube.
Still, you have a fair point, there "could" be some ME fans out there who haven't finished the game yet, so ok, thread remains spoiler free I guess.
As for the Hitler-rant vid, while I've always found most of those to be dumb, and poorly done, I gotta say, its the first time I agree with one of those.
And LOL on the purple ending :P its amazing how changing sligthly the color saturation of the final cutscene somehow creates a "new" ending.
Edit:
LOL
:P Kenneth is such a dirty dirty man.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
My only concern about synthesis, is how much it changed the people. I originally was going to go that route, but then I gave it more thought. What if it really, fundamentally changed the nature of everybody- not just their genetics, but who they were. So much of ME3 was not just about the death toll, but the destruction of cultures and societies. On Tachunka you travel through the ruins, and see a little bit of what the Krogen used to be before the genphage, as a people. On Thessia, the destruction of Liara's beliefs by realizing that her religion is based on visits by the Protheans is almost as harsh as the physical destruction. The fight for Rannoch isn't just for their lives- because they already had that- but for their desire to return to their homeworld, and reclaim what their society used to be. In ME2, when I was making the choice for the Geth, it was the hardest choice in the game for me, because it was hard to decide if killing someone is worse than rewriting who they are. It feels like both ends their life- one just replaces them with something new, something that you removed the choice from in how they think and feel.
In synthesis, yes those two seem happy. But how much have I changed them, and everyone else. How many cultures would I destroy, ways of life would I change, lifeforms would I warp into something that they didn't necessarily want to be. Is your life as good when you find that you can't taste or feel the way you used to, if you find that many of the thought and emotional process you used to have have been altered, etc.
In destruction, you may lose the Geth and EDI, but you don't warp all other life forms in the process.
In control, you neither destroy the geth nor warp everyone, but you have to worry about how permanent a solution this is.
And then, you wonder if you're being persuaded into either of the non-destruction options with indoctrination.
That's where the ending failed- not in what choices you had, but in how little you know about what those choices actually did. You have no idea if you warped and destroyed the individuality of every species in the galaxy, or if everyone is the same and just glows now. In control you don't really know much of Shepard's consciousness survived the process. In all 3, some kind of affirmation that they were continuing to rebuild, and that it had actually been a victory would have been nice.
Post by
asakawa
I want to play this game. I haven't got it yet. I haven't been spoiled yet. Please don't spoil it.
Post by
Lombax
Well, its been pretty much a month since the game was released. At this point anyone who wanted to play it, already has finished the game by now. Sorta defeats the purpose of using spoiler tags.
You have asumed wrong, I 've bought the game 2(?) days ago and I'm not finished with it.
Post by
Rankkor
ohh believe me, I know the many flaws of the endings, one of them is a complete lack of closure, and you are correct on the cultural collapse too regarding the green ending.
Still, one thing that made me go for the green ending is that all 3 have (as far as I'm concerned) pure downsides, and ZERO plus sides.
On Control and Destroy, people live, but the galaxy as a whole is doomed. Not only is there a big-ass fleet of various species STRANDED on earth with no way to go back (with all the implications this will have for them AND for us) but also, the lack of galactic trading will mean a collapse of economy as a whole.
Think for a moment if all methods of transport on our world ceased to funtion, if everyone was stuck on their countries? it would be devastating, economies would collapse, our trade-based society would go to the ground, people would starve by the billions, and I'm fairly certain we would perish as a specie if that ever gets to happen.
Now imagine that on a galactic scale. No matter what, the destruction of the relays, takes whatever "victory" (And I use the term VERY loosely here) we may have gained from the reapers, and destroys it with a vengeance.
So, on blue and on green, EVERYONE is screwed.
On green, EVERYONE is screwed in a bigger sense, because on top of being stranded and all that yada-yada, their very core of their beings has been permanently changed, is like waking up and finding out you had 4 arms instead of 2. People don't cope with change that easy. Its why Amputees have to go through months of therapy to be able to adapt to their new condition without going insane. Waking up suddenly and finding out you're half machine isn't gonna sit well with several folks.
HOWEVER, while the blue and red have ZERO benefits, the green at least has 1 teeny-tiny bit of good: Joker and EDI get to be happy.
So, while the red and blue have 0% happy-rating, green at least has 1% happy-rating.
Post by
Rankkor
I want to play this game. I haven't got it yet. I haven't been spoiled yet. Please don't spoil it.
Well, its been pretty much a month since the game was released. At this point anyone who wanted to play it, already has finished the game by now. Sorta defeats the purpose of using spoiler tags.
You have asumed wrong, I 've bought the game 2(?) days ago and I'm not finished with it.
=O my bad..........
I guess 1 month wasn't long-enough time.
Post by
OverZealous
As a matter of fact, I've been taking my time with the game and currently run on multiple playthroughs with vastly different squadmate setups and picking all the different choices. I haven't read (much) on the endings - though I did accidentally get spoiled, partly, on one of them. I don't know exactly how it ties together, and from what I've read it kind of doesn't, but what I mean to say is that I haven't completed the game yet.
I propose at least two more weeks of spoilers tags in this thread, since some people don't have the time to play more than an hour or so a day. Let's not spoil anything for anyone.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
If Lombax isn't even done with ME2 yet, lets just say spoiler tags for the forseeable future.
Post by
Lombax
If Lombax isn't even done with ME2 yet, lets just say spoiler tags for the forseeable future.
Haven't played ME2 or ME1, thinking about picking them up.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
Me 3 is worlds and worlds better if you play them in order. I'm almost sad that you played #3 without playing the first 2- I think you kind of ruined the game for yourself a little bit.
Post by
Lombax
Me 3 is worlds and worlds better if you play them in order. I'm almost sad that you played #3 without playing the first 2- I think you kind of ruined the game for yourself a little bit.
Not nearly finished with ME3, if I pick up the other games I'll probably try some kind of perfect playthrough.
Post by
Rankkor
If Lombax isn't even done with ME2 yet, lets just say spoiler tags for the forseeable future.
Haven't played ME2 or ME1, thinking about picking them up.
I STRONGLY advice you to NOT play ME3 till you've completed at the very LEAST ME2.
Not only you'll not understand the plot, nor the familiarity of the characters, but also, you will experience the WORST endings and results of the different story-arcs if you haven't imported a file from ME2.
ME1 is the only optional game, because ME2 has a DLC called "Genesis" which is an interactive comic that summarizes the plot of ME1 and allows you to import the biggest decisions from it to ME2 (Namely, Wrex, council, romance interest (if any), Virmire Survivor, Fate of the Rachni queen, and who becomes the human councilor).
With that DLC, you can play ME2 without needing ME1 at all (Though I still regard playing ME1 to be superior to a simple Summary of its plot)
Really, ME3 loses about 50% of its charm if you aren't importing a save from previous games. Bioware originally had planned to include a Genesis-like option for ME3, to allow players who didn't imported to at least get a small chance but it seems it didn't made it.
Also, elhonna, what do you think of my comparison between the end of ME3 and Deus Ex? (Assuming you did played Deus Ex)
Post by
ElhonnaDS
I don't even mean in terms of getting the perfect score. The vadt majority of characters in ME3 were important in 1 and or 2. Many of them only get cameos in the third one. It's the difference between "Here's my old squadmate, who I remember fondly, and I get to see them again." vs. "Here's yet another NPC who knows my name, and has a mission for me."
Also, a lot of the drama in the third is based on things you do in the first two, that won't click as much if you never did them.
@ Rank- never played it.
Post by
Rankkor
HA!
Man, those penny arcade guys really crack me up sometimes :P
Post by
Thror
Five youtube/newgruonds flash animators think up
Mass Effect 3 endings
... and they are all better than the actual one!
(Vid contains some profanity.)
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