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Deathwing in raidfinder gives no achievement for title
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Post by
alynx
killed deathwing on 7th of december with random raidfinder group..was real tough and lots dieded at end of fight..i did not...got the 10 points for Fall of deathwing but the whole reason i entered the raid was for the title Destroyers End..no where does it say that you can't get the title and as all of you know pugs are hard as hell to get kill with but blizzard in there own way after the lame 7th year gift decided to not give title for pugs...so why even have a raid finder if it worthless...anyone have answer for that?...oh real answer please...very sad :(
Post by
Interest
This is intended. It would sort of ruin the purpose of getting the title to begin with. LFR is meant to get loot and maybe instance completion achievements so you can go on the Normal mode runs (for RLs who require you to link an achievement).
Unless there's a blue post saying otherwise anyways - this is purely speculation.
Post by
alynx
as there is nothing that says that...they should give achievement..the heroic guild one can have a different title as they shopuld never punish people for the pug raids as they are much harder then the guild ones
Post by
Thror
There actually is something that says that. The title achievement specifies that the title is only obtained when DW is killed on Normal or Heroic difficulties, and does not mention the LFR difficulty.
Post by
dslg604t
killed deathwing on 7th of december with random raidfinder group..was real tough and lots dieded at end of fight..i did not...got the 10 points for Fall of deathwing but the whole reason i entered the raid was for the title Destroyers End..no where does it say that you can't get the title and as all of you know pugs are hard as hell to get kill with but blizzard in there own way after the lame 7th year gift decided to not give title for pugs...so why even have a raid finder if it worthless...anyone have answer for that?...oh real answer please...very sad :(
LOL, I facepalmed.
You must have hell ^&*! raidfinder groups. I one shotted Madness of Deathwing easily. It's easier than heroics were at the start of Cata.
Why should you get a title? It would be worthless as everyone had it. It's too easy a feat to deserve a title.
How exactly is raid finder useless?
Post by
Euphemia
Indeed, this is intended behaviour - the LFR raids are tuned down for difficulty compared to the normal and heroic modes of these instances. They are meant as an entrypoint for the masses to "raiding" - which is good ( I guess :)). Some will struggle, some will walk all over the content whereas others will find it suits them perfectly. These will give loots to more people, loots that would otherwise only be available through the normal pugs (which we all know would often fail miserably).
The LFR encounters are stripped of mechanics that require major means of raid awareness and might even raid organization - however, left are light-versions of the base mechanics of these fights. As such, this is an excellent way for people to get to know the basis of the fights - meaning that when these same players enter the normal mode versions of the encounters, all they have to learn, will be any adjustments to different mechanics. An example is
Hagara The Stormbinder
, on the LFR there are no
ice tombs
, whereas on normal you will occasionally have players
entombed
, and will have to organize around freeing them etc. Also, the ice walls during her frost phases, move slower on LFR.
You might want to see the LFR as your practice runs - so that the normal pugs now might actually be able to do encounters because there's absolutely no reason why anyone would come around saying "I don't know tactics" - if they do - shove them into LFR and tell them to pickup some info.
Also, for those who prefer to go at the "old way" of pugging, there's no one saying you can't do that, seeing as LFR even has it's own lootlocks instead of locking you to the instance so you cannot join a normal run that week.
And, while I agree with
dslg604t
above, that the LFR difficulty might be undertuned, I realize that to fit the masses - it's going to have to be the way it is now. I do think that for the general casual raider, the content is below the difficulty of the old cata heroics - but then again, it seems intended, and people were screaming and shouting back then at how difficult those were ("omg, I have to cc something?")...
Also, do you really want a title that anyone who wants can get by just poking their nose into an LFR group for a bit? The accomplishment will feel much greater when you get it in a normal run, don't you think?
In my opinion, they released the Deathwing encounter prematurely in the LFRs, but that's a completely different matter.
Like
Interest
points out above, you get the achievement for the kill - which means you have "proof" if that's what you are looking for. Now, if you want the title - group up with people and test what you indeed learnt from the LFR encounters. Go show him! (DW, that is)
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Post by
slasher0161
I would be happy for them to the title "<player name> the semi competent"
Seriously though LFR is a joke of a difficulty for any half competent group, hell had groups that nearly finished the madness of deathwing (1 shot everything else) with dps below the tanks. If you believe you deserve a title for it then you probably also believe you deserve a trophy every day you get out of bed. Harden the hell up and think about what your crying about.
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Post by
Eccentrica
I think anyone with half a brain and an intelligence level above 30 can discern the difference between "not good enough" and "can't fit it into my lifestyle". If you really think that all those not in raiding guilds are "not good enough" then perhaps you need to get your Mom to put parental controls back on your computer because your social skills are seriously lacking.
That being said, if LFR awarded the title, the special snowflakes would explode with apoplectic rage. We wouldn't want all those bits of flesh stuck to the walls would we?
Post by
Arigise
I don't know why this needs to devolve into people accusing LFR as being for only those that are unskilled. It's a great entry point for those that may not have a regular raiding group and a source of some decent easy upgrades for those that do raid and have a night off.
As to the title, I think this is totally fair. You completed the whole LFR and got Madness down? Awesome! Hopefully you had fun and got some gear. Now, you have a new goal and that is to do a repeat performance on normal mode.
The logic of having LFR give everything that normal did would invalidate having them seperate at all. To take it to a bit more extreme they could just kit you out in a full set of max gear, give you all the Dragon Soul achievements and tell you that you won the game and now go do something else. WoW is based on a series of platforms. Each time you reach the top of one you are given another to work on so you don't get bored. So, take it as a new challenge to keep you entertained and have fun working on normal mode.
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Post by
Problimatic
Destroyer's End
Pretty sure that says normal or heroic difficulty for credit for it. And pretty sure that its in the achievement window that says it awards the title. It would require actually reading, but its there.
Post by
Sweetscot
I love the raid finder, but I'm fine with no title and rather think it's better that way. Theres an achieve showing you've done it, you got to see it, you got gear that seems appropriate from it...I think the title needs to come from the normal difficulty and above though.
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Post by
Arothand
They should have used the original, fairly-mediocre Heroic title "Avenger of the Five Flights" (or something like that) as the LFR title, so each level of difficulty got a title appropriate to it:
LFR: Avenger of the Five Flights
Normal: Destroyer's End
Heroic: Savior of Azeroth
Post by
dslg604t
Oh I know! We should give titles to people for clearing heroics too! We can give them the title <name the hero of (insert heroic)>. Or maybe just <Hero name>!
Post by
Kroeber
Aside from the random Firelands or occasional DS-10 raid, I have stuck to 5-man heroics for this whole expansion. I've been very pleased with the LFR tool (even though I hate the super-long wait time for my tank, ha, payback for heroic queues I guess) and I would never expect it to reward a title for defeating all of the raid encounters.
Last night, with my Mage, we made it to the second phase of the Madness of Deathwing on our first attempt, with most of the raid having never seen the fight before. I'm not saying that it's too easy but when you can one- or two-shot the final encounter with a bunch of random folks and little communication, I don't really see a need for a fancy title.
If you think the worth of the LFR is tied up in being able to 'show off' that you've completed, then you really don't understand the purpose of the LFR, which is to give everyone a better chance to see content and to partake in the WoW story.
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