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Why do most TANKS have such ATTITUDE?
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Post by
wobbuffet
TL;DR skipping everything in the thread, gotta ask:
should you not be asking "why have I met only arrogant tanks?" or "why do only arrogant people play tanks?"
Post by
Interest
Whats the topic of this thread?...:PI believe it's: Why do most HORDES have such ATTITUDE?
:D
I lol'd hard. It's actually quite true.
Post by
DraconisAerius
Most tank have bad attitude because
Rule of "I am the TANK": Tanking is process of quick leveling in which you may get affected by different factors like being nerd, rager, quitter, qqer, lootwiner, leadership and many more you can think of. From tanking process player can develop superiority complex inside him. As tank you can have right to give order to anyone.
When you are doing an instance with a group, and they are causing the group to wipe be doing silly things, and you know that as a tank you can solo that instance, then yes, you start getting an attitude. After all, if an instance is soloable, with 5 people it should be cake right?
Post by
dumac
In 90% of the cases if not more it is the tank who have to lead the grp in a pug we talk about here. So I would say it is that factor who may make many tanks be arrogant and ofc the fact we are rarely kicked due it takes some time to fill a tank in.
I however do not believe there is a majority of tanks who are jerks, many of them simple just assumes "okey I lead so follow okey" attitude which some people can be pissed off at.
Personally I am never really a mean person in a dungeon, I lead and they follow. I only get pissed if people acting bad towards me, like raging un necessary or foking up after dying many times on basically same simple thing. And honestly the most arrogant person I have ever met in any of the thousands of grps I done with any char was not a tank. It was a priest healer, he called the shots from get go, he healed well and basically said fok you scrubs. Even though he was an arsehole he did his job well, and he did sort of have a redeeming streak in him so we never kicked him. Hell I engaged him so we made some use of blizz censur cap.
Short story: Stop being so sensitive in a LFD, you can never change a jerk if he does not want to, so roll with it or get out. It is another story if he does not his job properly.
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834101
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Post by
dumac
I actually wish the world works like you saying carianna, but i learned that only way to be a mutual respect is if the situation forces it to be a mutual respect. There been some quite interesting studies on human behaviour if you would change the rules or make no penalties, in those studies people did serious injure other people in a case due they was told it was okey or because after no one controlled them and they was in total control did it for pleasure.
In a LFD that forcing is not possible in today world of warcraft, the reason people was respectful back before lfd was introduced are quite simple. If you was bad you got a bad rep and people did not so willingly go on a grp with you.
There was ofc bad eggs back then also, who was lacking respect but now there is no penalty to acting like a munckin so people who would draw a line bcs of the penalty possibility will now act out instead of acting a role.
And also I did say I myself is not really a mean person in lfd, I treat the situation clinical most times.
Post by
iala
how hopeless they are and then boot them, especially when we are lvling a new alt. We are all learning for crying out loud!
We are lvl 40 some haven't been playing as long as others..
Reminds me when I was levelling my first toon and hit cata. First dungeon (and I'd pretty much avoided all dungeons until I was lvl70ish because I'd heard about the bad attitudes there, turned out the stories were more than true) I was screamed and yelled at, culminating in "Cata has been out for 9 months and you STILL don't know that?".
I'd been playing 3 weeks...
Would it kill a tank to listen for once and wait when heals calls for a mb? Next time this happens gonna let him/her die.. and they get angry coz team wiped! Well screw you for not listening and thinking ur invincible!
That's pretty much what I do. Or when I'm doing dps I sit back, stop all dps. If the tank thinks he can solo that boss, he's free to try (and some tanks indeed can, to a degree. I've solo'd down Throngus from 50% on normal mode once or twice with my dk when the team got themselves killed (low geared dps and healer, healer couldn't keep 4 up given the massive damage they were taking)).
Post by
skumbananer
I have adressed this in several Threads a while back, so shameless bumping and self-promoteing! I call this MTS (main tank syndrome, or megalomaniac tank syndrome)
http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=113334
http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=150786
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Post by
keyur
@tbieritz
I really dont mind single arrogant person in group. Most people can handle one person. I really get pissed off when rest of 3 people support him.
Mostly skilled players are jerk/egoistic and doing showoff in front of casual players. Because they cant do showoff with other skilled players.
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879113
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Post by
Monday
3) The healer usually has nothing to say and it is usually helpful when they do speak
This so much. I find healers to be the most competent players in a dungeon, most of the time.
Post by
DraconisAerius
After the complete and utter fail-fest of the new dungeons today, I feel like I'm entitled to have an attitude. As a tank, I can only carry the rest of the group so much, but some of these people are moronic beyond belief!
Post by
Porcell
After the complete and utter fail-fest of the new dungeons today, I feel like I'm entitled to have an attitude. As a tank, I can only carry the rest of the group so much, but some of these people are moronic beyond belief!
After last night I found myself glad that I don't own any pets, because I was really in the mood to hurt something...
We wiped 12 times in the first new heroic. No interrupts on the NE boss, wipe after wipe after wipe on Sylvanas. "There will be ghouls, we need to focus fire one down, I'll attack it and I'll mark it with a skull." First pull they are AOEing and multi-dotting and all on different targets. PvP feral druid who kept shifting out and lifeblooming himself. Standing in black arrows and dying. All three DPS doing 9k and less than me (warrior tank). Finally I got lead, kicked the Feral Druid, and randomed in a Firelands SPriest to finish off the instance.
I was getting pissed. I was pretty abusive to the DPS in my group. It was horrible. I explained every fight before it happened, EXACTLY what to do and what was important, and it was still like 2 hours in that place.
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Post by
DeeJerz
Don't group "most" tanks by your few experiences with low level tanks.
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Post by
Monday
Don't group "most" tanks by your few experiences with low level tanks.
Except it isn't just with low level tanks either.
Post by
Effymoo
As a tank and a DPS this is an issue I run into a fair deal. First of all, be aware that there *are* decent tanks out there, and a lot of the decent ones come with a fair bit of confidence that a lot of people take for arrogance. Provided they do their job well, and everyone else in the group is capable of doing their job's well, their confidence/arrogance or whatever you want to call it is justified and pretty much okay. I've met DPS and healers with attitude problems far worse than most tanks.
But you ask why tanks have attitude problems, which is a fair question. It's because tanking is a stressful position (Much like healing, I doff my hat to the skilled healers that keep everything together as it's something I've never had a taste for.) Put simply: We mess up, the group dies. If you're not confident about not screwing up, you're going to screw up and if you are confident about it and screw up, you'll be confident enough to fix the situation. As a DPS if you mess up (not considering interrupts and such as I'd consider them 'group' failures) the most that happens is the group ends up with one dead DPS.
The most stressful part of tanking, however, is not the PvE environment. It's the other players we deal with. As the tank we're in the leadership role, regardless of what the dungeon finder might have to say about the matter, and this puts us in the firing line for abuse from every single bad player in the game. I, along with every other tank out there has been blamed for every issue in the game, many of which have nothing to do with.
So here's the answer to the OP's question. The attitude is for every arcane mage who decided they were pulling the next group and then say "OMG WTF TANK!" when they die. And for each rogue/hunter who decided that misdirecting is a waste of time. For every single feral druid that thinks it's a good idea to start the swipe spam before you've even finished your charge, let alone got a thunderclap off. The list goes on...
...so instead of asking "Why do most TANKS have such ATTITUDE?" perhaps you should be posing the question to the assortment of horribly played characters (Tanks, DPS and Healers alike) and asking "Why did you make us like this?"
Post by
iDelorean
well
because there's a ret paladin with 346 blues and pvp gear in my HoT instance, plus other players who couldn't pull 20k+ DPS to save their life.
I also get really irritated when DPS can't do what they are supposed to, because my main spec is DPS and I could beat their ass in circles at the game. If only I could tank and DPS at the same time. I really cannot understand the reasoning behind rewarding bad tanks with bags of crap, when clearly, DPS is the most critical role of a group.
I get mad when stupid people make easy things hard.
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