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Post by
MyTie
I don't see how my post was spiteful at all. I just stated my opinion, without trying to sound arrogant or all-knowing.
Who sounds arrogant and all knowing?
Post by
Azazel
I don't see how my post was spiteful at all. I just stated my opinion, without trying to sound arrogant or all-knowing.
Who sounds arrogant and all knowing?
Alright, I'm calling it. Succesful troll is succesful. Bye.
Post by
Interest
Break it up guys. No need to start attacking other users.
Post by
Azazel
Break it up guys. No need to start attacking other users.
Exactly. That's why I'm not going to respond to him anymore. Not trying to sound evil, but I think it's the better way of solving this.
Post by
MyTie
I don't approve of beating kids. Anyone who does so should go to jail.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
Right! Let's focus on all rallying behind the banner that bastards that beat their kids should go to jail! Unity in simplicity :)
Post by
OverZealous
Right! Let's focus on all rallying behind the banner that bastards that beat their kids should go to jail! Unity in simplicity :)
Well put as always, Elhonna!
I am a parent. Have been for years. I have a 12 year old girl, and a 3 year old boy. I have had practice at applying a wide range of discipline. Most of the time, my discipline comes in the form of a long discussion about the importance of responsibility. However, on certain occasions, which are few and far between (especially for my daughter), I feel the need to apply corporal punishment. When I first feel the need to use corporal punishment, I send my daughter to her room. I then sit for a bit and think about what she did, and if there is another way of getting through to her. If my deliberations prove to be fruitless, I discuss the incident with my wife in private. We talk about her actions, her intent, what a deserving punishment is, and (most importantly) if corporal punishment would benefit her. If either one of us has a doubt, we don't do it. Then, if we are both in agreement, we sit down with the child, and explain what we are doing, and why, in a very kind and calm voice. Then, whichever parent was NOT involved in the incident (if it only involved one parent) will apply the corporal punishment. Every time we have used corporal punishment, there has been ample opportunity for the child to correct the behavior on their own, or even, to discuss the mistake, and provide alternative punishment ideas. When the corporal punishment is applied, it is done in private, with only one parent, with a spank applied to the butt with an open hand, while the butt is covered with whatever clothing the child is wearing.
In the most desperate situation, when nothing else has worked, corporal punishment DOES work, and it ends in the child understanding direction and discipline. Every time I have used it, the child has resulted in a better attitude, obedient demeanor, and generally happier. The child trusts us more, because we are consistent and patient. Anyone who argues that corporal punishment always ends in negative results doesn't know what they are talking about.
On the other hand, it could be very easy to apply corporal punishment in a negative way. If a parent is unable to do it properly, they shouldn't use corporal punishment. It takes a lot of patience. When used properly, spanking is more time consuming and more work than any other punishment. When used improperly, spanking is quick, easy, vengance gratifying, destructive, and wrong. Any parent that beats their kid, deserves to go to jail, and lose custody of all their kids, as well as be excluded from all government jobs and jobs that involve children. It should carry the harshest punishment.
Beatings and proper corporal punishment aren't the same thing, or even resemble each other. Some guy beating his kid is not out of love. I'm firm with my kids. I'm patient. I'm loving. They do some things that get me angry. I get really mad at them. In my most angry moment, that moment when I am seeing red, I would never hit my kid. They could burn the house down, and I wouldn't hurt them. I couldn't even imagine hurting your own kid. The thought is contemptible.
I don't always like or agree with everything you post (such as the comment you gave Azazel just a few posts ago), but this was a very enlightening and generally good read, in general. Thank you for posting it.
Post by
Interest
Break it up guys. No need to start attacking other users.
Exactly. That's why I'm not going to respond to him anymore. Not trying to sound evil, but I think it's the better way of solving this.
I'm talking to you too.Succesful troll is succesful. Bye.
Post by
Azazel
Break it up guys. No need to start attacking other users.
Exactly. That's why I'm not going to respond to him anymore. Not trying to sound evil, but I think it's the better way of solving this.
I'm talking to you too.Succesful troll is succesful. Bye.
Precisely.
Post by
588688
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Azazel
I'm just glad that she and her mom are no longer living with him and are perfectly fine now.
You will never live something like that down. It haunts you for the rest of your life. But, atleast she got away and can live a happy life now. And that's what's important.
Post by
Interest
I'm just glad that she and her mom are no longer living with him and are perfectly fine now.
You will never live something like that down. It haunts you for the rest of your life. But, atleast she got away and can live a happy life now. And that's what's important.
I agree.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
There isn't a statute of limitations on murder, or several other crimes.
Originally the statute of limitations was created because, in many cases, if you don't get eyewitness testimony when it's fresh, it tends to fade over time and become confused. Forensic evidence becomes degraded and unusable. Evidence files get lost and moved around. They didn't want to risk convicting someone of something they didn't commit just because evidence was gone, or waste resources pursuing crimes where there was almost no evidence, except in the gravest circumstances (like murder). Also, in many cases, the motives of a complaining witness seem questionable when they wait 5, 7 or 10 years to complain about an event (not always the case, but many juries would see it that way.)
In the current age of digital cameras on every phone, on every street corner and in baby's teddy bear, and improved forensic techniques, it might be time to review the statutes of limitations and see if they should be longer.
Post by
Orranis
Hitting a kid can only cause bad things to happen. Simple as that.
what if you catch them shooting up? Or torturing the neighbors dog with a knife? Or making a pipe bomb?
Punish them verbally, take away their toys (probably too old for that, but you get the idea), ground them etc.
I'd probably turn them in to the authorities. That is actually illegal, you know.
This Wednesday I got my report card, and for a minute I thought I had lost it. My dad said if I had he would take my computer away. Five minutes later when I still couldn't find it, he uplugged the charger/headphones and carried it into my his room. I finally found it and he gave it back, but in that moment I totally panicked, it really made me realize how much I rely on my computer and take it for granted. As silly as taking their toys away sounds, everyone has something along similar lines and it is actually a much more effective punishment method than physical abuse.
I've seen situations where parents have had to call the authorities on their kids. I've seen kids who've tried to break into their own homes and steal things. I am good friends with a kid who was taken to a rehab boarding school in Utah at two in the morning my ex-military staff at that camp.
There are a million things you can do that work far better than beating your children and are far less likely to harm them physically or mentally. One of my best friends was beaten by his parents and doesn't live with them anymore, and he's talked a lot about what it was like.
Post by
gamerunknown
I don't think there's a statute of limitations on physical abuse in the UK... My dad's been hit at work by his manager and so has his coworker. His manager, in the name of "gender equality" forced my dad's pregnant coworker to move some 50kg boxes (which isn't even in her job description) and she miscarried.
Oh, another coworker of his believes that beating one's wife is a reasonable form of anticipatory corporal punishment. Not so much because they're out of line, but to make sure they're not out of line and then it wont be done in anger.
I mean, at least he's picking on an adult that could technically fight back.
Post by
Interest
This Wednesday I got my report card, and for a minute I thought I had lost it. My dad said if I had he would take my computer away. Five minutes later when I still couldn't find it, he uplugged the charger/headphones and carried it into my his room. I finally found it and he gave it back, but in that moment I totally panicked, it really made me realize how much I rely on my computer and take it for granted. As silly as taking their toys away sounds, everyone has something along similar lines and it is actually a much more effective punishment method than physical abuse.
That's a pretty lame punishment. I can understand why your dad would do that...but...
Post by
Jubilee
This Wednesday I got my report card, and for a minute I thought I had lost it. My dad said if I had he would take my computer away. Five minutes later when I still couldn't find it, he uplugged the charger/headphones and carried it into my his room. I finally found it and he gave it back, but in that moment I totally panicked, it really made me realize how much I rely on my computer and take it for granted. As silly as taking their toys away sounds, everyone has something along similar lines and it is actually a much more effective punishment method than physical abuse.
That's a pretty lame punishment. I can understand why your dad would do that...but...
Taking away my computer would be a pretty effective punishment =P
Post by
Azazel
Heh, you don't know what you've got until it's gone.
Post by
Rankkor
I cound't stand to watch the whole thing :S I feel sick that pricks like him are allowed to do this kind of crap.......
filth like him are an embarrassment to the men everywhere in the world............ thinking he's so macho for beating a poor girl over something that stupid? pfff, there is only one punishment fit for him:
To have his balls sawed off....... He doesn't have the right to keep them anymore.
Post by
Azazel
If we fight violence with violence, how are we any better than them? It's like setting fire on fire to stop a building from burning.
I know you mean it in a good way (as good as getting your balls sawn off can be :P) but revenge has never lead to justice.
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