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Young Chinese toddler in China got ran over twice and no one helped her
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Post by
gnomerdon
was the toddler a boy or a girl.
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255458
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Post by
gnomerdon
kids dont get much love in china, especially for girls.
girls are usually aborted out, OR mutilated after birth, thrown into trash cans, and dumped into the water.
god,i hate to say this. :( they do need to change.
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Post by
Gone
No hes right, I used to date a girl born in China, and if you read some of the stories that happen they do treat their kids pretty %^&*ed up. You wanna play PC police and pretend every culture on the planet is the same then feel free. But its not the way things are, yes no culture is perfect, but some are a lot more $%^&ed up than others.
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gnomerdon
mine isn't perfect one bit. but killing innocent girls is something i'll fite for. same goes for abortion..
"your mom didn't abort you, why should you abort your own child?" but in the end, pro choice will win. lets keep abortion legal, safe, and rare.
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Post by
MyTie
I would like to point out that once you abort the child, the rest of the sentence doesn't exactly have much meaning.Dead people deserve no dignity?I would also be leery of telling other cultures to change when your own isn't exactly perfect.Until a society reaches perfection it shouldn't question other societies? Whoa... that's maybe the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Imagine what the world would be like if more people believed this. What a horrible thought.
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Gone
Feel free to provide some of these stories for me.
http://maxinews.co.uk/world/chinese-mother-who-killed-own-daughter-5-over-poem-gets-relief/
http://www.allgirlsallowed.org/infanticide-china-statistics
http://www.gendercide.org/case_infanticide.html
Its caus of the one child law, families only get one kid and they want a son, so they wind up having a baby girl and kill or abandon her and pretend she was stillborn or miscarried.
Post by
gamerunknown
While I agree that one shouldn't generalise about a whole culture based on isolated incidences and I don't think it would have made a difference whether the child was a girl or a boy... I also think it's reasonable to say that at least in certain parts of India and China girls are treated very poorly. I think it would be the political imperative of the liberal that believes in equality of the sexes and races to recognise that and try to combat prejudices and stereotypes, like the principle of arranged marriage and dowries in a third world country.
There's even a population imbalance in Chinese and Indian cities now where it is impossible for a heterosexual male to find a partner, because there simply aren't enough women.
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MyTie
I think it would be the political imperative of the liberal that believes in equality of the sexes and races to recognise that and try to combat prejudices and stereotypes, like the principle of arranged marriage and dowries in a third world country.And the conservative.
Post by
Gone
While I agree that one shouldn't generalise about a whole culture based on isolated incidences
Not to push the envalope, but theres nothing iscolated about the situation going on now. Although I agree I dont think the gender of the little girl in the video would have made a difference. Most violence against female children, if gender based, is commited by the parents.
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Gone
Dead people deserve no dignity?
That would bring up the question on whether fetuses who are aborted are considered people. As to mutilation, that is a rather unfortunate side effect of late term abortions. As to whether they are mutilated after birth, I'm not aware nor certain this is a regular practice.
Go back and read his post again, he edited it. The children he spoke about being mutilated are not abroted fetuses, its a child that they gave birth to after 9 months and killed.
This has more to do with poverty and a lack of medicare care than anything.
No... This has more to do with overpopulation and the one child law. Poverty exists all over the world and nowhere do you have the staggering infanticide statistics as in China and India. And even if it did have to do with what you said, that dosnt excuse it and you cant ignore the numbers. People today are to scared of being politicaly correct to point out some of the *!@#ed up !@#$ going on in the world.
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MyTie
Dead people deserve no dignity?
That would bring up the question on whether fetuses who are aborted are considered people.
That is EXACTLY the question. The difference between me and you is that before that question is answered, I feel that the person should be treated with dignity. You feel that until that question is answered, a dumpster is a suitable resting place. Just take a step back and consider our positions. Look at the differences between our empathy and respect levels. Do you find yourself horrified by yourself, because I am certainly horrified by you.
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gamerunknown
Not to push the envalope, but theres nothing iscolated about the situation going on now.
Well, I agree in this instance, mainly because I think the response is a combination of impoverished parents wanting their children to earn more (since males tend to have higher wages) and the central government pushing legislation without thinking of the long term effects. I'm not sure what medicare has to do with it really... Public healthcare does seem to be better for nations that practice it, possible exception Singapore. I think the Liberal government in England in the early 20th century said that disease was one of the four giants that kept the lower class from progressing, which is one of reasons for the foundation of the NHS. I'd wager that oppression of woman was another.
In other instances, like characterising the Chinese as "dog eating" (not that anyone has done so, but yeah), it ignores important factors such as the fact that in China the primary provinces that consume dog meat are in the South East. Important facts like that are lost when one stereotypes.
Edit: Thinking in terms of race and states can be disadvantageous since it causes us to contrast "us" (rational, moral) and "them" (irrational, immoral). I don't think this is a useful distinction when pretty much any person or government is capable of great evil, like the Tuskegee trials or Japanese prisoner experiments during WW2.
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MyTie
Until a society reaches perfection it shouldn't question other societies? Whoa... that's maybe the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Imagine what the world would be like if more people believed this. What a horrible thought.
I'm glad to have expanded your horizons then.
This I guess I don't get. Expanded my horizons? Genocide? Infant murder? Starvation? You feel they should go unchecked because we haven't reached "perfection". You are a spiteful and selfish neighbor to humanity indeed.
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Post by
gamerunknown
I think that in order to have an abortion, one has to be fairly certain they're pregnant. In order to base that decision on the gender of one's unborn child (as Chinese women often do, as the population statistics bear out), one has to have access to sufficient medical care to determine the gender. It's worth pointing out that the gender of a foetus is only identifiable visually after the development of the Central Nervous System, so any foetus that is aborted due to their gender is capable of feeling pain.
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Gone
Go back and read his post again, he edited it. The children he spoke about being mutilated are not abroted fetuses, its a child that they gave birth to after 9 months and killed.
Then the question is this one event representative of the culture as a whole?
Again this is not one event, this is an epidemic of events.
Except poverty, the lack of readily accessible medical care in rural areas, and the one child policy all go hand in hand. Wealthier families can afford to pay a fee to have more than one child, so this policy is essentially targeting lower class individuals.
Rural education and medical care access is often so limited that those who are pregnant aren't aware of it. Medical care even in urbanized areas isn't free either.
And once again, that is not an excuse. There is poverty all over the world and these numbers are not as sever anywhere els, only here because of the one child law, and the general male bias in the culture.
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