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Atik
Hunters are commonly used to kite things like magmaw adds. And some classes, like Shamans and Boomkins, need to be closer to cast, so need to be more aware of movements. Warlocks and Hunters will commonly need to keep track of their pets as well and use certain pet abilities at the right time; effectively giving them two rotations to worry about at once. Spriests have many more DoTs and cooldowns as well.
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Atik
Shamans and druids attack from 30 yards, I've made both and leveled to 40 or so. And I raid with several shamans.
I've leveled a mage since Cata, yes. I've played one, yes. My mother contantly has me taking over in the middle of raids; frost and arcane. It is piss easy to maintane upwards of 15k. Nearly never have to move or anything.
The frost pet only has one attack, unlike every other pet in the entire game. The most you have to do is use its AoE when it come off cooldown.
Post by
xaratherus
Shamans and druids attack from 30 yards, I've made both and leveled to 40 or so. And I raid with several shamans.
Properly talented
, an Elemental Shaman's primary ranged attacks are all 40 yard reach. Non-shock spells are 30 yards untalented, 40 yards with two points here; shocks are 25 yards untalented, 40 talented.
Roughly 90% of the damage-dealing combat spells in the
Balance school
for Druids (Wrath, Starfire, Moonfire, etc.), are 40-yard range by default. Only a handful (things like Entangling Roots, Hurricane, etc.) are 30- or 35-yard spells.
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161859
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Atik
I've leveled a mage since Cata, yes. I've played one, yes. My mother contantly has me taking over in the middle of raids; frost and arcane. It is piss easy to maintane upwards of 15k. Nearly never have to move or anything.
Because spriests, boomkins, hunters, and shammys have to move a lot more? Due to the mechanics that magically miss mages and only hit those classes? Is that really what you believe? I'd love to hear what those mechanics are.
Oh, and 15k is not very good DPS. If that is all you're getting, then you're not very good at playing a mage....which might actually explain why you have that view of them.....hmmmmmm
15k is easily 7k more than my mother or any other mage horde-side on my realm single-target.
Post by
Pens1566
I've leveled a mage since Cata, yes. I've played one, yes. My mother contantly has me taking over in the middle of raids; frost and arcane. It is piss easy to maintane upwards of 15k. Nearly never have to move or anything.
Because spriests, boomkins, hunters, and shammys have to move a lot more? Due to the mechanics that magically miss mages and only hit those classes? Is that really what you believe? I'd love to hear what those mechanics are.
Oh, and 15k is not very good DPS. If that is all you're getting, then you're not very good at playing a mage....which might actually explain why you have that view of them.....hmmmmmm
15k is easily 7k more than my mother or any other mage horde-side on my realm single-target.
Wow. Bad realm.
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xaratherus
I've leveled a mage since Cata, yes. I've played one, yes. My mother contantly has me taking over in the middle of raids; frost and arcane. It is piss easy to maintane upwards of 15k. Nearly never have to move or anything.
Because spriests, boomkins, hunters, and shammys have to move a lot more? Due to the mechanics that magically miss mages and only hit those classes? Is that really what you believe? I'd love to hear what those mechanics are.
Oh, and 15k is not very good DPS. If that is all you're getting, then you're not very good at playing a mage....which might actually explain why you have that view of them.....hmmmmmm
15k is easily 7k more than my mother or any other mage horde-side on my realm single-target.
Wow. Bad realm.
A quick look at World of Logs seems to indicate that most mages that are in Firelands 10N are averaging a minimum of 15k DPS - more likely 20k - on single-target fights. 8k might be the average for any other mage the respondent knows Horde-side on Alexstrasza, but it doesn't seem to be the average for the server as a whole.
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Problimatic
Hey not all horde Alex is bad.... My shammy over there pulls 16k (Single target without lust) in gear gemmed for resto that I haven't even raided on since t11. And
Mimo
finished Dragonwrath yesterday. Mages can do plenty of dps, and yes arcane's "rotation" if you want to call that is supidly easy, but the class doesn't really need nerfs.
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Milagros
4) SPriest have more DoTs and CDs. Tracking 3 DoTs =/= complex. I would actually argue that Frost's rotation of managing procs of procs is more complex that SPriest watching a few timers. Either way, it's all subjective. Again, your point is useless.
Shadow Priests and Arcane Mages have the same number of buttons to keep track of.
This is coming from a Shadow Priest who understands that ArMa is not just AB Spam.
Also, all ranged classes can now attack from 40 yards. That has been true since 4.0. Update your personal KB known as a brain, Atik.
I seriously do suggest both of you to quit the game after these comments.
Were you drunk or messing around when you were writing this truly foolish and false information?
Shadow Priests are one of the hardest spec to play with, especially to do good dps for pve.
They need to focus so deeply; keep track of the dots, good timing is a must for nearly every spell they cast, also they must watch their procs carefully such as shadow orbs and empowered shadows. Any mistake on their rotations or along with somewhat movement their dps get quite lowered. There are some more additional details for their rotations, confusing tactics which are causing most of them to be disoriented, just to implement the best performance.
Arcane Mages=1 button spam, even a 5 year old baby can play with arcane mages.
You do at least your %90 of your dps with arcane blast and rest with arcane missiles.
Frost Mages=how could you compare frost mages with shadow priests? Have anyone seen frost mage for pve? Fire or Arcane are for pve. Frost is only for pvp. Tell me what frost mages have as a proc or spell for good dps on pve, making it complex and even more complex than spriests? Frostfire Bolt OR Frostbolt? or just the abilities for being survival, crowd-control, interrupting or slowing/freezing the targets? Oh I see.... and finally you claim that it's all subjective. HAHAHAHHAAHAAH
Long story short; better not to get involved to the subjects that you don't have any idea what you're talking about. Trust me it's better than being ridiculous.
Post by
Nathanyal
Arcane Mages=1 button spam, even a 5 year old baby can play with arcane mages.
You do at least your %90 of your dps with arcane blast and rest with arcane missiles.
Long story short; better not to get involved to the subjects that you don't have any idea what you're talking about. Trust me it's better than being ridiculous.
I suggest you heed your own advice. Just because we use AB 95% of the time, doesn't mean there is more then just pressing one button. We also use Blink, Arcane Missiles, Arcane Barrage, Arcane Explosion, Presence of Mind, Flame Orb, Spell Steal if there's something worth stealing, as well as our Mana Shield, Evocation, Mirror Images, Arcane Power and trinkets and potions and other useful racials the class may have. On top of conserving our mana.
A 5 year may be able to play an Arcane mage, but can they keep track of their mana and figure when the use a potion or mana gem or evo so you have enough for a later burn phase.
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Milagros
Arcane Mages=1 button spam, even a 5 year old baby can play with arcane mages.
You do at least your %90 of your dps with arcane blast and rest with arcane missiles.
Long story short; better not to get involved to the subjects that you don't have any idea what you're talking about. Trust me it's better than being ridiculous.
I suggest you heed your own advice. Just because we use AB 95% of the time, doesn't mean there is more then just pressing one button. We also use Blink, Arcane Missiles, Arcane Barrage, Arcane Explosion, Presence of Mind, Flame Orb, Spell Steal if there's something worth stealing, as well as our Mana Shield, Evocation, Mirror Images, Arcane Power and trinkets and potions and other useful racials the class may have. On top of conserving our mana.
A 5 year may be able to play an Arcane mage, but can they keep track of their mana and figure when the use a potion or mana gem or evo so you have enough for a later burn phase.
Using trinkets, pots or cds are belong to every class/spec. Since when using some abilities just to track of mana pool is considered as a part of dps rotation OR can get involved to the comparison whilst the point is pertinent to the complexity of dps specs?
Post by
xaratherus
Arcane Mages=1 button spam, even a 5 year old baby can play with arcane mages.
You do at least your %90 of your dps with arcane blast and rest with arcane missiles.
Long story short; better not to get involved to the subjects that you don't have any idea what you're talking about. Trust me it's better than being ridiculous.
I suggest you heed your own advice. Just because we use AB 95% of the time, doesn't mean there is more then just pressing one button. We also use Blink, Arcane Missiles, Arcane Barrage, Arcane Explosion, Presence of Mind, Flame Orb, Spell Steal if there's something worth stealing, as well as our Mana Shield, Evocation, Mirror Images, Arcane Power and trinkets and potions and other useful racials the class may have. On top of conserving our mana.
A 5 year may be able to play an Arcane mage, but can they keep track of their mana and figure when the use a potion or mana gem or evo so you have enough for a later burn phase.
Using trinkets, pots or cds are belong to every class/spec. Since when using some abilities just to track of mana pool is considered as a part of dps rotation OR can get involved to the comparison whilst the point is pertinent to the complexity of dps specs?
Regardless of that, Milagros, the point stands that you're complaining about people talking about classes they don't understand (which is humorous, given that Sinespe is ) a regular on the Priest forums, yet you grossly oversimplified Arcane to make your argument sound stronger. There's no need to be belittling; if someone is wrong, correct them and move on; statements like, "Were you drunk?" and "You should quit the game," aren't helpful.
Post by
Nathanyal
Arcane Mages=1 button spam, even a 5 year old baby can play with arcane mages.
You do at least your %90 of your dps with arcane blast and rest with arcane missiles.
Long story short; better not to get involved to the subjects that you don't have any idea what you're talking about. Trust me it's better than being ridiculous.
I suggest you heed your own advice. Just because we use AB 95% of the time, doesn't mean there is more then just pressing one button. We also use Blink, Arcane Missiles, Arcane Barrage, Arcane Explosion, Presence of Mind, Flame Orb, Spell Steal if there's something worth stealing, as well as our Mana Shield, Evocation, Mirror Images, Arcane Power and trinkets and potions and other useful racials the class may have. On top of conserving our mana.
A 5 year may be able to play an Arcane mage, but can they keep track of their mana and figure when the use a potion or mana gem or evo so you have enough for a later burn phase.
Using trinkets, pots or cds are belong to every class/spec. Since when using some abilities just to track of mana pool is considered as a part of dps rotation OR can get involved to the comparison whilst the point is pertinent to the complexity of dps specs?
Ya, so you agree that mages do more then just press one button? Or do you still think arcane mages are just an "oh look at me ima just press this 1 button right here" spec?
Edit: And yes, for an arcane mage managing our mana is also part of our dps. The more mana we have the more damage we do becuase of our mastery. We can't just spam it and go oom, we need to stay at a stable level where we don't go to low but we're not so close to full that we do become full on mana. And as anyone can tell you, if you're full on mana you're doing it wrong. The same can be said about focus for hunters, rage for warriors, energy for kitties and rogues and almost any other class that requires a lot of a resource to do damage (enhancement shamans don't use that much mana and what ever they do use is easily restored thanks to abilities).
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168916
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91278
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Post by
Atik
Add ons?
You're really factoring add ons into class diffuculty?
Really
?
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