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Can of Worms: Should servicepeople get preferential treatment?
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Post by
Pwntiff
Okay, neither side is budging. I say we're at an impasse, and just drop the whole damn thing. When you get down to it, most teachers are overworked and underpaid. Just because yours weren't doesn't mean that most aren't.
Nothing further can really be said about it, so no more arguing teachers' pay.
Post by
gnomerdon
I'll be a high school teacher in a heartbeat. In fact, I might just become
one.
The field I'll feel comfortable teaching in is economics and government though.
Post by
Pwntiff
You couldn't pay me enough to teach. I don't have the drive or the patience to do it.
Post by
gnomerdon
I would do it for $35,000. Turn off the classroom lights and put on a informative entertaining movie for the students. Then give them a pop quiz with simple questions. It's really a laid back job.
Why wouldn't you have the patience for it?
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324987
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Post by
Jubilee
This is why I'm not a fan of government run schooling =P
Post by
gnomerdon
I was in a A.P. government class. My buddy and I dropped out of it after we were bombarded with 2 quizzes a week. After we left it, the teacher went all easy and gave the entire class A's to show his anger at us. I got a B in regular government / economics in high school :(
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324987
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Post by
gnomerdon
vikingboy, answer these questions
1. are you going to try to enroll into a top end college?
2. are you going to apply for at least 5+ scholarships?
if not, then take regular classes. I wasted my time taking A.P. History, A.P. Physics, A.P. Biology. I had to retake them in college.
Post by
Ashelia
Eh, I took 5 AP classes my senior year. I ended up not having any of the credits xfer over, even the 4s and the 1 5 I got.
I still would do it again for the experience; the people in them actually wanted to learn and the environment prepared me better for college than a normal class would have. You get to learn quirky facts if you're into that kinda stuff too, and I've always been a nerd for trivia. I loved my APUSH class I took in junior year and my AP Euro I took in sophomore year for the trivia alone.
TBH in the normal classes, I just ended up taking money from people to write their essays >_> I took a normal Genetics class senior year along with AP Bio, they ended up overlapping a lot, so I'd give my AP Bio papers for $100 to the Genetics people.(##RESPBREAK##)2##DELIM##Ashelia##DELIM##
Post by
ElhonnaDS
@Facesmasher- I got credit for my AP classes, and it saved me having to take 12 or 15 credits in college. It may depend on your high school, your college, what grade you got in the class, etc.
@Viking
The reason that people are getting irate, is that your key statement that "teachers work only half the days of the year" is misleading, in that you make it sound like everyone else works all the days of the year, and they get double pay, or something. In fact, most teachers get 2, maybe 2.5 months out of the year. The other "days off" are weekend and holidays, which many other people get off from their jobs as well. So really, you're looking at someone who at max is working about 20% less days, rather than 50%.
Secondly, most if not all teachers are required to work an 8 hour day, with a single period off. Most employees who work 8 hours get an hour for lunch. It's not all that different.
Third, you are not taking into account the number of hours per week of "off time" that a teacher had to spend preparing lesson plans and grading papers, especially on things like essays and research papers, where they have to go online and check for plagiarism. How many jobs do you know that require hours of prep or wrap up time at home or over the weekend, that you can't go back and get paid for those hours? Not a lot.
Finally even if you give a teacher credit for only working 44 weeks out of the year, and not any of the after-hours stuff they do, a 40k salary breaks down to about 22 dollars an hour. Basic clerical positions can pay like 15-16. Is $22/hour is not an unreasonably high salary for someone who has to be trained, certified and have a fairly broad base of knowledge. And that's just counting actual clocked hours- If you give teachers credit for an extra hour of grading papers per day (even if they just work through lunch) and maybe 4 hours each weekend to draw up a lesson plan, prepare lectures, read papers, etc., the dollar value per real hour worked is closer to $18.50. Are you really saying that $18.50 per actual working hour is too much to ask for a certified individual with a 4-year degree?
*My thanks to all the teachers who taught me how to use math to settle disputes.
Post by
Sweetscot
I voted No, but my real answer is "not beyond those things already afforded them". For example I think there are many perks that they SHOULD be and already are afforded officially, such as the college assistance, medical assistance, easier to purchase a home with V.A. loan etc etc etc. I do not however think they should get out of speeding tickets or jump to the head of the line at theaters or any other such nonsense (especially the speeding tickets..willingly putting your life on the line for the country doesn't afford you the right to risk the lives of fellow citizens by driving recklessly!).
Edit: and to jump into the sidebar, I took A.P classes and I loved them, so much better than the regular classes just on environment and fun factor alone! My fav moment was when my A.P English class made puppet plays for the lower grades and went to all the local elementary schools to perform. (like muppets, not just little sock puppet things)
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109094
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Post by
gnomerdon
Exactly, teachers have the whole SUMMER OFF. I'll take that job anytime. It's like going back to school but getting paid
Post by
Patty
Exactly, teachers have the whole SUMMER OFF. I'll take that job anytime. It's like going back to school but getting paid
Um, lessons don't exactly plan themselves.
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134377
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Post by
gnomerdon
I'm looking at this through the eyes of my sister who is a English teacher. Don't want to give her too much credentials because she's also an idiot.
She has 2 goals:
1. To keep her job, her students have to score well during standardized testing
2. To keep funds coming, she has to make the students pass tests and score well.
She based all of her lessons so that the students will eat up tests, ignoring everything else that is irrelevant. All her students did well and scored higher than the other classes. She also gives the class alot of leisure and free time.
The amount of work that she puts in is about 6 hours a day. I watched her teach, she gives a half-ass lesson. After she's done with her lesson, she plays facebook games and other random stuff while the students do a class worksheet.
She's not giving it 100% to the students, but in a statistical standpoint, her students perform better than the rest during testing.
Post by
xaratherus
Exactly, teachers have the whole SUMMER OFF. I'll take that job anytime. It's like going back to school but getting paid
No, they don't.
Most teachers spend at least 2 weeks after the end of the school year finalizing grades, finishing up paperwork, etc.
Most teachers begin preparing for the next school year at least 2 weeks before the official beginning of the school year, in order to prepare lesson plans, attend meetings on new school policies, etc.
Probably 1/4 of the teachers I know supplement their income by summer tutoring; another 1/4 teach summer school for the same reason.
Oh, and the whole 8-hour day thing?
My sister (a teacher) and the majority of the my high school teachers (whom I've chatted with extensively on Facebook) get to school by 6:30 AM and work for at least an hour after the bell rings, plus another hour at home, grading papers and prepping lesson plans; they often wind up working through their hour-long prep period as well, which should be their lunch time and breaks for the day, but let's leave that out.
Adding just that up, we're looking at 6:30-4:30 with an hour break (9 hours) plus an hour at home (10 hours). That also doesn't factor in that many of them put in a few hours on the weekends. It also doesn't take into account that most of the teachers with whom I'm acquainted spend a decent amount per year ($300-1000) out-of-pocket for supplies that are necessary for them to effectively teach their lessons, but that couldn't be covered by the school's budget.
viking and facesmasher both seem to indicate that they are still in school. Have fun when you hit the real world, guys. I remember thinking how I would "have it made" when I got a job making $35k a year; boy, was I **cking surprised to find out that $35k a year in most metropolitan areas leaves you just scraping by.
The amount of work that she puts in is about 6 hours a day. I watched her teach, she gives a half-ass lesson. After she's done with her lesson, she plays facebook games and other random stuff while the students do a class worksheet.
Then your sister is an awful f***ing teacher.
Post by
gnomerdon
True, but what defines a good teacher?
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