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A rant about my Birther, YEC, Zionist parents.
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Post by
Skreeran
Emotionally I'm sure they'd support me. While my parents had a long standing policy of not going to the doctor, getting vaccinations (they think it causes autism... >_<), etc., but I don't think they have a problem with me being one. If they accept my decision to not believe in God, I don't think they'll reject my decision to be a doctor.
Post by
Patty
Ah, I thought you were saying that they didn't respect the fact that you don't believe in God.
On another note...I was just reading some of the reviews from the
book
you linked on Amazon. I really am amazed by the doctrine that some fundamental Christians are allowing their children to be filled with.
This book is an excellent reference for Christian parents and educators. You will enjoy it. It is hard to find books that explain the dinosaurs in a way that does not include the THEORY of evolution. As it is a THEORY, not a law I see no reason to subject MY children to things that contradict MY beliefs. Which is why I find some of these reviews incredibly silly. If you are so intent on commenting on a book that you would never choose for yourself to begin with you have serious issues. We live in America. You are free to have your beliefs and these authors (and some people looking for legitimate reviews) are free to have their beliefs. Go review a book on Darwin and evolution. For like-minded Christians who would actually choose this book for YOUR children, this is well worth the investment. I hope this helps!
Just how old are your siblings? It worries me that, (I'm judging some of them are a couple of years younger than yourself) some of them are reading pre-school level books. How 'advanced' do your parents allow them to read up to? The main concern in my eyes is that some of your brothers and sisters will end up highly uneducated, which could be harmful to their future prospects.
Post by
Azazel
They what? They think doctors are the work of evil? There isn't words for that...
Post by
Pwntiff
They what? They think doctors are the work of evil? There isn't words for that...
Actually, there are:
Faith healing
Also this South Park episode:
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s04e07-cherokee-hair-tampons
Post by
Skreeran
Just how old are your siblings? It worries me that, (I'm judging some of them are a couple of years younger than yourself) some of them are reading pre-school level books. How 'advanced' do your parents allow them to read up to? The main concern in my eyes is that some of your brothers and sisters will end up highly uneducated, which could be harmful to their future prospects.Well, my brothers are 16, 11, 9, and 4. My sisters are 14 and 6.
It was the 11 year old brother who was reading that book for school. I can't tell you how happy I was to see my 9 year old brother surreptitiously reading about dinosaurs
millions
of years ago in the science book I had picked out for him while his older brother read "What
Really
Happened to the Dinosaurs."
Post by
Azazel
I honestly think there should be laws or atleast prohibtions from doing this to children. They are twisting their minds...
Post by
Skreeran
They what? They think doctors are the work of evil? There isn't words for that...Well, I'm not totally sure about now. They still tend to avoid doctors, but at least everyone has insurance now. Really,
REALLY
glad that they had overcome their policy of total denial of medicine when I had my appendicitis. Granted, I was nearly an atheist at that point anyway, so I think I could have convinced them to take me to the hospital anyway, but there
are
people who have died because of that.
They still don't get vaccinations thought. Hoping that no one dies of influenza.
I honestly think there should be laws or atleast prohibtions from doing this to children. They are twisting their minds...Oh yeah, I totally agree with the twisting part. The legality of it is tricky, because I don't really think the government should be able to say what you are and aren't allowed to teach your children, if just because that could lead to some pretty scary places.
Post by
Patty
So, you're quietly/sublty trying to help educate your siblings? I sound so nosy, but I'm genuinely curious. Where I live, this type of thing is really unheard of.
Oh, and if anybody thinks I've been slating Christianity or religion: I have no problem with religion as long as it allows room for freedom of thought, and doesn't stifle one's education or intelligence. Historically, there have been examples of religion blocking intellectual advancement (for example, the Catholic Church's insistence on using Galen's theories more than a thousand years after his death, which was only really disproved in the Renaissance). On the other hand, religion has in other cases encouraged development (for example, again with medicine, Islam encouraged medical advancement).
Post by
Pwntiff
I honestly think there should be laws or atleast prohibtions from doing this to children. They are twisting their minds...
This is, sort of:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Post by
Skreeran
So, you're quietly/sublty trying to help educate your siblings? I sound so nosy, but I'm genuinely curious. Where I live, this type of thing is really unheard of.As much as I can without going up and saying "Why do you believe x?"
For example, this book I picked out is a low level illustrated science book. My mom was at the Dollar Store and was picking out books for the kids, and I suggest getting a science book for Ariel (named after
Ariel Sharon
), not sneakily, but because he likes science. I was pleased to find one, though, that casually mentioned evolution and millions of years and all that.
Post by
Azazel
I honestly think there should be laws or atleast prohibtions from doing this to children. They are twisting their minds...
This is, sort of:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I'm not from the US, but oh well. I don't think it's ok to bend the truth about things we
know
are true. I think that religion should be believing in something, not declining fact.
Post by
Skreeran
I honestly think there should be laws or atleast prohibtions from doing this to children. They are twisting their minds...
This is, sort of:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I'm not from the US, but oh well. I don't think it's ok to bend the truth about things we
know
are true. I think that religion should be believing in something, not declining fact.Oh yes, words can't properly express how much I agree with that.
You know about the Birthers?
Check it out
.
Here's a picture of nonpartisan Factcheck.org representatives holding his birth certificate.
They still don't believe it.
Post by
Patty
(named after
Ariel Sharon
)
...Wow. Okay, I think I'm beginning to understand your parents a little more now, in their views.
I've got another question...must be sick of them by now... but if you were to go do medicine, where would you consider going? Somewhere in Texas? Elsewhere in the US? Or maybe another country? Because I remember you saying somewhere that you find where you live very Christian dominated, and maybe that could bleed into the university education of some places (again, I don't know - I think I probably live in a much more liberal society/community/family unit).
Post by
Pwntiff
I honestly think there should be laws or atleast prohibtions from doing this to children. They are twisting their minds...
This is, sort of:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I'm not from the US, but oh well. I don't think it's ok to bend the truth about things we
know
are true. I think that religion should be believing in something, not declining fact.
The problem with that line of thought is that the parents that teach their children that way honestly think that either we don't
know
those things are true or outright believe them to be fictitious.
You can't regulate ignorance.
Post by
Skreeran
(named after
Ariel Sharon
)
...Wow. Okay, I think I'm beginning to understand your parents a little more now, in their views.
I've got another question...must be sick of them by now... but if you were to go do medicine, where would you consider going? Somewhere in Texas? Elsewhere in the US? Or maybe another country? Because I remember you saying somewhere that you find where you live very Christian dominated, and maybe that could bleed into the university education of some places (again, I don't know - I think I probably live in a much more liberal society/community/family unit).Ideally I'd like to live up in Washington state again. I wasn't born there, but that's where I grew up, and they're a lot more neutral in their politics and beliefs (must be the proximity to Canada).
I'll start looking into it more once I'm on the trailing end of my enlistment, I think.
Oh, and by the way, if you thought Ariel was good...
My name is
Michael
, and I have brothers named
Nathan
,
Joshua
, Ariel, and
Daniel
.
My sisters are named
Sarah
and Evelyn (named after my grandma, but also after Eve).
We have had dogs named
Samson
,
Golda
, and Batya (
Bithiah
).
Post by
Heckler
Ideally I'd like to live up in Washington state again.
Yay for Washington, that's where I live at the moment. If you do move here, make sure you stick to the coast -- Eastern Washington can be pretty backward.
Post by
Tauge
I'd be most concerned with your home schooled siblings. There's multiple social reasons why home schooling is a Bad Idea. Not only that, but your parents filling them with fundamentalist Christian pseudo-science (I feel like I'm insulting real pseudo-science, like planet x and the theory that we all descended from aliens by lumping that in there with that nonsense) will only hurt them. They won't be able to go to a real college with that...<clenched teeth>education. Lemme tell you about a place that your parents would just love. There is a "college" in Pensacola, Fl, my hometown, called Pensacola Christian College. The students learn from books written much like the one you posted. And their future is pretty dim. Their degrees are really only acceptable to other fundamentalist Christians because they are not an accredited college. Their beliefs, well let's just say they baffled us non-fundamentalist Christians.
And don't get me started on not vaccinating, nothing pisses me off more than that.
I've got my own beliefs regarding the way we (the universe, not mentioning our species) ended up at this point. But if your siblings are to have any future in this world they need a proper education. I like to think I'd still feel this way if I were still a young-earth creationist, but I left that behind a long time ago. Genetics, Chemistry, Mathematics, social sciences, unbiased world history (as unbiased as you can get anywhere, everyone has this own spin to put on events), and the arts. These are all required to create a well rounded fully functioning member of any society.
I don't know what the solution is. You're in a tough position. If it were just you and your parents, well I wouldn't say much. But you've got younger siblings, and their futures need to be thought about.
People need to realize that religion and science are not mutually exclusive. They can come together quite beautifully if you want them to.
Post by
Skreeran
I'd be most concerned with your home schooled siblings. There's multiple social reasons why home schooling is a Bad Idea. Not only that, but your parents filling them with fundamentalist Christian pseudo-science (I feel like I'm insulting real pseudo-science, like planet x and the theory that we all descended from aliens by lumping that in there with that nonsense) will only hurt them. They won't be able to go to a real college with that...<clenched teeth>education. Lemme tell you about a place that your parents would just love. There is a "college" in Pensacola, Fl, my hometown, called Pensacola Christian College. The students learn from books written much like the one you posted. And their future is pretty dim. Their degrees are really only acceptable to other fundamentalist Christians because they are not an accredited college. Their beliefs, well let's just say they baffled us non-fundamentalist Christians.
And don't get me started on not vaccinating, nothing pisses me off more than that.
I've got my own beliefs regarding the way we (the universe, not mentioning our species) ended up at this point. But if your siblings are to have any future in this world they need a proper education. I like to think I'd still feel this way if I were still a young-earth creationist, but I left that behind a long time ago. Genetics, Chemistry, Mathematics, social sciences, unbiased world history (as unbiased as you can get anywhere, everyone has this own spin to put on events), and the arts. These are all required to create a well rounded fully functioning member of any society.
I don't know what the solution is. You're in a tough position. If it were just you and your parents, well I wouldn't say much. But you've got younger siblings, and their futures need to be thought about.
People need to realize that religion and science are not mutually exclusive. They can come together quite beautifully if you want them to.Oh, I most certainly agree. I detest my parents beliefs on a moral level, but I'd be able to ignore all that if it weren't for having to watch all my younger siblings, whose welfare I'm concerned for, endure the same brainwashing that was so painful for me to escape from.
Post by
Patty
I'd be most concerned with your home schooled siblings. There's multiple social reasons why home schooling is a Bad Idea. Not only that, but your parents filling them with fundamentalist Christian pseudo-science (I feel like I'm insulting real pseudo-science, like planet x and the theory that we all descended from aliens by lumping that in there with that nonsense) will only hurt them. They won't be able to go to a real college with that...<clenched teeth>education. Lemme tell you about a place that your parents would just love. There is a "college" in Pensacola, Fl, my hometown, called Pensacola Christian College. The students learn from books written much like the one you posted. And their future is pretty dim. Their degrees are really only acceptable to other fundamentalist Christians because they are not an accredited college. Their beliefs, well let's just say they baffled us non-fundamentalist Christians.
And don't get me started on not vaccinating, nothing pisses me off more than that.
I've got my own beliefs regarding the way we (the universe, not mentioning our species) ended up at this point. But if your siblings are to have any future in this world they need a proper education. I like to think I'd still feel this way if I were still a young-earth creationist, but I left that behind a long time ago. Genetics, Chemistry, Mathematics, social sciences, unbiased world history (as unbiased as you can get anywhere, everyone has this own spin to put on events), and the arts. These are all required to create a well rounded fully functioning member of any society.
I don't know what the solution is. You're in a tough position. If it were just you and your parents, well I wouldn't say much. But you've got younger siblings, and their futures need to be thought about.
People need to realize that religion and science are not mutually exclusive. They can come together quite beautifully if you want them to.
Well, ideally, scientists are unbiased and only make their judgements from empirical data. Religion shouldn't bleed into science in any form whatsoever. That said, my Chemistry teacher is a Christian and she is a wonderful scientist, but probably because she learnt to keep her own views seperate from what the data suggests. She believes in Evolution and other scientific theories that do not match with the Bible. Scientists have to approach their tasks with as few preconceptions as possible.
Other than that, I agree completely with what you've said, and it nicely sums up my own thoughts...although I can't believe that there is a 'university' like that.
Post by
Skreeran
Other than that, I agree completely with what you've said, and it nicely sums up my own thoughts...although I can't believe that there is a 'university' like that.Welcome to the US.
There are "Universities" like that all over, especially in the south.
Here's an excerpt from my town's Wiki article, on the education section:
Lubbock is also home to other college campuses in the city including Lubbock Christian University, South Plains College, Wayland Baptist University, and Sunset International Bible Institute.
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