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How Blizz could develop such weak BM Tree?
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Post by
asakawa
I always will be BM and im always first or second on Recount in Heroics. Not bad for a "horrible" spec :P
this is an argument that you see a lot on these and other forums.
if you play with fools you'll always look great.
that's just the pithy retort, the point is that comparing yourself to random others doesn't make a strong argument to us because for all we know the people you group with are mentally subnormal. when discussing things like this we use objective comparisons like DPS which clearly show BM failing.
if you play perfectly you are still severely gimped by your spec and no you can't save your tank in any content worth discussing.
you might not like people having discussions that put down your favourite spec but these discussions are important when they have evidence to back them up. the community making a valid, evidence-based point to the devs can help fix things.
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Post by
asakawa
What annoys me is when people who think they know it all, come along and just spout off spiel about how BM and MM are "Horrible specs". This just proves, to me, they dont know what they are talking about.
well, you quoted and replied to cialbi who clearly does know of what they speak and was in turn referring to someone who has data backing up the notion that BM and MM are significantly weak specs right now.
this isn't ignorant people spouting unfounded nonsense. it's data-based analysis of a severe problem and becoming an apologist for bad specs makes a fool of you.
SV is the best spec for damage, yes this is true, but BM and MM are no slouch either. If i see a BM or MM Hunter in a dungeon i dont whisper them saying how "SV is better noob" or anything like that. BM and MM are decent specs.
there's a big difference between discussing important things knowledgeably and being nasty to people in game.
you don't have to say "SV is better noob" to advise a fellow hunter that the spec they're using is significantly decreasing their potential.
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Post by
Wildhorn
SV is the best spec for damage, yes this is true, but BM and MM are no slouch either. If i see a BM or MM Hunter in a dungeon i dont whisper them saying how "SV is better noob" or anything like that. BM and MM are decent specs.
False. BM and MM are both two of the worst DPS specs in the game, along with Arcane Mages, Arms Warriors, and Subtlety Rogues. I have
the logs of
raids
with the top players in the game
to back me up, you have your own anecdotal evidence from
heroics
.
3.3k dps from a top player? Something is wrong with these data or they are not representative.
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Post by
asakawa
first i would like to agree to a point with Voodoomojo that BM and MM can be good specs for heroics/certain raid bosses. Given enough time, studying, practice, and hopefully the buffing of BM and MM blizz may implement in the near future. But sense I do not have any "solid" evidence to support myself, other than my above mentioned statement, I am ending this part of the debate NOW.
lol, is that how you end a debate? awesome, i've often wondered.
look, people are missing the point here.
SV is stronger than the other specs for one reason... because it does more DPS.
when the difference between specs is small you can find other reasons to use a spec for certain encounters or just be happy to take a ~4% drop in damage for the sake of your personal sense of fun.
when choosing BM over SV represents a 40% drop in your output you have to accept that the spec is weak and that will only change when blizzard addresses the low numbers.
"given enough time, studying and practice" BM will still be 40% lower than SV.
it's not worth whining about. blizz know the problem and will, i'm sure, address it in one way or another in the fullness of time. until then hunters are in the fantastic position of still having one tree that is very strong so we play SV for a few more weeks and hope for a patch that will bump up MM and/or BM to give us options.
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Post by
matheus314
At Nykkida, oh I think I see what you mean. Black Arrow does this much instant damage and this much damage over time for example?
But it's a top tier talent. It must be the strongest.
And where it gains in damage for SV, BM has
Beast Mastery
and MM has
Chimera Shot
, a lot more useful than just plain DPS.
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matheus314
At Nykkida, oh I think I see what you mean. Black Arrow does this much instant damage and this much damage over time for example?
But it's a top tier talent. It must be the strongest.
And where it gains in damage for SV, BM has
Beast Mastery
and MM has
Chimera Shot
, a lot more useful than just plain DPS.
Could you say that again in more simpler terms please?
Man, just compare the last talent of each hunter talent tree (those that are supposed to be the strongest talents above all).
See it? Now Black Arrow don't seem too strong as before, isn't it?
The fact is that the specs may not be sidelined for DPS only. I don't know where Blizz wanna go with that, but it's almost like BM-Tank, MM-Heal, SV-DPS. Longshot here, of course, but I wouldn't be surprised.
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matheus314
Chimera Shot is weak compared to Explosive Shot...
DPSwise, yep? 5% heal is good indeed, could be more, but it still refresh the stings...
Imagine that kind of shot in a SV tree?
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