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Post by
enumalish999
I've shelved my 85 Priest. Been healing since Beta when 1st Generation Dwarf Mages were the 'in' thing. I know how to heal. I know all about 'don't spam heal'.
The issue isn't Spam Healing like you just opened the box, or just bought your first Priest off Ebay. It's the amount needed per heal, and regen.
I'm carting around 110k Health, with a mana pool of 70-75k on a given run. Using 'light' heals, I'm down to 1/4 mana on a given fight. I'm oom normally, using 'smart heals'.
It's not a L2Heelz issue. Feel free to think so because you're the pro-healer from Ensidia. Enjoy yourself. There are issues with Priest Mana Usage, and it's not user error.
I hear you... I see a lot more not happy than happy... and how many out there that just quit that you don't hear from. I never really came on the forums much before, because I was pretty happy with the heals I played. Now......
I say the same thing... If your happy in the new cata..cheers to you... but I have the same sentiment about cata heals.. mana, drinking...going oom... dps that won't change playstyle like heals have to... maybe because they don't like it either.
Post by
Squishalot
Healer doesn't want to change playstyle? Spam heals Wrath style. Go OOM. Wipe. Get kicked.
DPS doesn't want to change playstyle? Spam AOE abilities. Sit in fire or get random mob aggro. Die. Get kicked.
Tank doesn't want to change playstyle? Chain-pull a couple of packs. Die. Get kicked.
Nobody is forcing the healer to change while putting up with crap DPS. I keep Mana Shield and Ice Barrier up as often as possible, and I sheep and counterspell when appropriate. If another DPS isn't pulling their weight towards the completion of a dungeon, I'll have no qualms kicking them off. Some healers get that (Sinespe and co.) The sooner that other healers stop QQing about how they're getting blamed for things that aren't their fault, the sooner the blame will start going to people who deserve it.
And of course, if it really is the healer's fault for spamming unnecessary heals, then
Heal smarter.
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91278
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Post by
Squishalot
Yeah, I am. My Paladin is on a PvP server, meaning that the first couple of months of an xpac is a waste of time, since the dominant faction is the opposite one.
Doesn't help that I've changed jobs a few months ago too, so less time to play than I had before, unfortunately. I actually wanted to level my Paladin as Holy / Prot through Cata, and see what all this healer QQ is about, but I don't think I'm going to have the time to. As it is, I think I've gained half my Mage's XP from archaeology, where I can afk and go do other things while flying :P
Post by
Drefanator
I'm currently leveling a priest (lvl 63 atm) and yes, I know that content hasn't really been challenging, I have been training myself to not use Flash Heal, I'm pretty much trying to use every heal but flash heal, unless problems arise, and I need to spam it a couple times to get caught up again.
Either way, I feel that it's working, though, with Heal reducing the Weakened soul debuff, I've been making sure I use that more often. I know healing is very different from WotLK, but getting used to it while leveling, I feel will hopefully prepare myself when I reach those cata normals, heroics and raids.
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Post by
cloudp
Outch. Billian himself's not too happy with Priests in PvP. (
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1568013246?page=28#542
). I honestly can't recall right now, but I'm pretty sure Billian's been top notch since The Burning Crusade? I expect at least a fairilly educated analysis from him.
(I realise that's still Ad Hominem, but citing a pretty powerful Priest should be an example of someone with context, not random babbling and QQ about every single death one's had.)
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203613
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Post by
Squishalot
Outch. Billian himself's not too happy with Priests in PvP. (
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1568013246?page=28#542
). I honestly can't recall right now, but I'm pretty sure Billian's been top notch since The Burning Crusade? I expect at least a fairilly educated analysis from him.
(I realise that's still Ad Hominem, but citing a pretty powerful Priest should be an example of someone with context, not random babbling and QQ about every single death one's had.)
Perhaps it's just the context, but Billian hasn't said anything worthwhile in that thread, and certainly nothing that can be considered an educated analysis. Unless there's something demonstrating what he's suggested, or an analysis that he's presented to show that there are serious issues, it is just ad hominem QQ, unfortunately. (Not saying that he hasn't, just wondering why people are latching on to what he's said like he's some kind of god.)
Post by
cloudp
Well, when ratings haven't stabilized yet, there's not much to base your analysis on. He's not alone in the QQ
at all
, but info is all about the source. Of course I'll trust an oppinion from a seasoned player above a random player's. I said myself I realise it to be a possible misjudgement, but what are the odds of that VS trusting a random player stating Priests are fine, L2P?
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203613
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Post by
Squishalot
Well, when ratings haven't stabilized yet, there's not much to base your analysis on. He's not alone in the QQ
at all
, but info is all about the source. Of course I'll trust an oppinion from a seasoned player above a random player's. I said myself I realise it to be a possible misjudgement, but what are the odds of that VS trusting a random player stating Priests are fine, L2P?
There still is - ratings only reflect the people who choose to put effort into particular classes, especially if a particular class has a steep learning curve which results in a lower number of people at the top ratings, even though the top class players are just as good as the other classes. But fair enough.
He's supporting the complaints stated in the first post.
And doing so without evidence. That's why I'm arguing it's just ad hominem QQ at the moment. I don't doubt that he has good reasons for it, I just wish he had something to back his comments up, if only just to learn myself.
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203613
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Post by
modest
I was healing on a friends paladin last night. Let's just say that his ilvl 334 paladin laughs at my ilvl 349 priest when it comes to healing :(
That's not to say healing as a priest isn't fun. Just saying that healing on my priest just became alot more tedious when you know there's another class that can do it so much better.
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Post by
Squishalot
That's not to say healing as a priest isn't fun. Just saying that healing on my priest just became alot more tedious when you know there's another class that can do it so much better.
This, to some extent, except to note that it doesn't matter if there's a class that can provide more throughput / mana efficiency. There have been DPS classes that have languished by the wayside for years. Ret pallies were laughable all the way up until Wrath. But fun is fun, even if the playstyle yields sub-standard results.
At the end of the day, people will still want priests around because shields = proactive effective health (as opposed to reactive heal-after-damage abilities). The thread linked above relates primarily to healing in PvP, which, arguably, is a completely different beast to PvE (where the game is primarily balanced).
Off topic slightly, I don't know what the big deal about Power Word: Barrier being stationary is. DKs have had that issue for years now.
Post by
cousx
At the end of the day, people will still want priests around because shields = proactive effective health
Healing heroics as Disc didn't work out for me.
I switched to Holy and I'm still struggling (right spec, right glyphs, right gear stats, ilvl 335).. at least things got a little better
But in the end, to me, healing is not fun anymore. I don't want to cultivate depressions. If I do PuG heroics (after about an hour waiting time) as shadow there are at least chances (about 25%) we end up having an overgeared Druid or Pally who heals just fine, otherwise we just wipe.
This is not my definition of fun. A good healer (skill-wise) should be able to compensate stupid DDs, at least to some extent. This is not possible. The difficulty curve from normal dungeons to heroics is a complete fail in my opinion.
I'm sick of blues on official forums who state that everythings working as intended. If Cata is designed for people who have no life outside of Azeroth then this game is probably not designed for me anymore.
Yeh , I know, L2P, kthbye etc etc tec .. maybe you're right, maybe I'm not "pro" enough.
Maybe this will change in the future, as of now I'm looking for other "challenges"..
Edit: YES, I am healing "smart". Please don't use the phrases "spirit" or "smart" in your replies... lol.
Post by
Pachuca
All I can say, Cousx, is that you should not be afraid to use Greater Heal more often. I had my hands full with DPS in my group dying early to stupid things. Heal and Renew weren't big enough or fast enough to prevent them from dying, so I just started liberally tossing out Greater Heals and now people don't die as much.
Pick up full 333's from regulars, get whatever items you can from faction reputation, get your stuff enchanted and make/buy some Spirit food. Lastly, just be mindful how you spend your mana.
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