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Post by
Orranis
I'm glad they changed. It makes getting the Horseman much easier for
casual players such as myself.
I spend enough time running to each candy bucket
Casuals don't post on Wowhead
, nor do they care. Casuals are focused on things being fun, not things being easy, or getting from the starting point to the reward as fast as possible.
I play Alliance and I would prefer the inconvenience of being ganked to a totally homogeneous "Candy Land" game where everyone just gets along.
Ergo, Moonglum1972 does not exist!
Post by
Moonglum1972
By Orranis 1 hr 29 min ago (Patch 4.0.1)
Aestu said:
Moonglum1972 said:
I'm glad they changed. It makes getting the Horseman much easier for casual players such as myself. I spend enough time running to each candy bucket
Casuals don't post on Wowhead, nor do they care. Casuals are focused on things being fun, not things being easy, or getting from the starting point to the reward as fast as possible.
I play Alliance and I would prefer the inconvenience of being ganked to a totally homogeneous "Candy Land" game where everyone just gets along.
Ergo, Moonglum1972 does not exist!
I submit that I, in my universe, exist more profoundly than any of you.
Post by
Adamsm
Moon, you realize you can just hit the quote button right?
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Post by
Thror
Anyone that enjoys winning in competitive online video games does. Stop pretending you're better then anyone else, nobodies buying it. If you play to win, you enjoy "schadenfreude" as we all know losing causes distress, which is suffering.
Sorry but if you rolled on a pvp server, you're fine with being ganked. If not, you made the wrong choice in server. Period.
Finally i get some insight into what goes around in the heads of those people that are level 43, able to stealth, 3 levels above you, you would beat them in a 1 on 1 duel, and they WILL just wait until you pull a mob and use up some of your mana, to gank you. More than eight times in a row.
Look, i rolled on a PvP server because i enjoy World PvP. 99% of PvP i do is world PvP. I have been to Arathi Basin, defending my guild mate from gankers, until eventually they gathered a larger force, and i was joined by more guild mates. I have been to Hellfire Peninsula, where horde gankers were wiping out Honor Hold. I have also sometimes stood right in the middle of the horde town, just out of range of every NPC, and just kinda waited if anyone will pop out for a fight. I have been standing on the Ram in front of ICC, specced boomkin, and one-shotting every Horde member i saw fly by. Mind you, Horde outnumbers Alliance on my realm in about a 20:1 ratio. Every time you do world PvP on Alliance on my realm, it's like having Hard Mode turned on. To kill Thrall, we have to fricking ninja ourselves through about two or three hundred hordies into the middle of Orgrimmar, and fend off HUGE amounts of enemies to get the kill. To stop a horde raid, we actually have to nitpick out the strongest individuals in their raid, mostly healers, kill them, and then attack the main bulk of the raid in waves.
I enjoy fighting other players, and i enjoy when the fights are a challenge. I like spontaneous clashes that happen in the game world. But there are things i do not like too, there is behaviour i consider "low" and infantile. What kind of stupid reason do you have for one-shotting a person that is 45 levels weaker than you? He is no challenge to you, no threat to you, he would probably try to get out of your way as soon as he notices you. The only thing you achieve when you gank them is making their game worse. I understand that there is an actual person on the other side of the gameworld, that is trying to level up to be a match for me. I don't enjoy ganking.
But, there are other things than ganking that are just outright evil behaviour, if you think about it a little, and try to imagine how the opposite player feels. Okay, so i meet a player who is lvl 80, decently geared, of a class that i do not absolutely counter, and i see him being only moments away from completing a boring escort quest. The NPC he is escorting also has its hp in my one-shot range. Would i enjoy killing his NPC, or him, during the escort quest? No. I know how bad escort quests are, i know how extremely annoying it is when someone kills your quest NPC right before the end of a group quest, and most importantly, i do not hold any stupid
infantile grudges
against every person of the opposing faction, just because someone in the past might have killed my quest NPC. People are individuals, they are not groups with a hive mind. When a retard kills your NPC, it does not justify your choice to kill a completely different person in a similarly retarded way.
It is quite possible that i would wait nearby until he completes the escort quest, and duel him afterwards, though.
Anyway, getting back to Scarlet Monastery now... so a group of Allies travel to Scarlet Monastery, a goddamn low level instance that is stuck DEEP in Horde only territory. They have no choice to not go there. If they want the achievements, or the mount, they simply must. Because Blizzard decided. And now they bump into a huge group of Hordies, blocking a conveniently narrow passageway, preventing them from entering. If the Hordies would, GOD FORBID, suffer losses, more of them would come from the Undercity, which is right around the corner. Oh by the way the Hordies already have their mount runs complete, because Scarlet Monastery is like, lol, right behind their capital. And you are telling me that there is nothing wrong with their behavior. Okay.
That all being said, it has been looong, long since someone ganking me has affected my emotional state in any way. Ganking happens on a PvP server, you can not help it. Kids are kids, and retards are retards. Someone who can not get used to being ganked simply should not go to a PvP server, for the sake of his nerves.
Wow, it took this many paragraphs just to say "i think you are an infantile idiot", and explain why i think so. Gotta love them kiddos that are like "some random ally killed me when i was level 30, so now that i am level 80, i am gonna have my revenge......
on all the people that are level 30
" (FACEPALM). Oh, and "you do not belong to a PvP server if you do not like ganking" is heavy as well. For more authenticity, read the quotes in Justin Beiber voice.
By the way, about the first paragraph. That happened to my guildmate yesterday. He was telling me on Vent. I really wondered what was going on in the head of that guy.
This is not a casual.
Do you realise that your judgements are just that? Your. Judgements? Who cares that you do not consider them casual. They consider themselves casual. You do not think they have the right to cinsider themselves casual? So what? On the other hand, i think they have every right to dispute a statement, such as "casuals dont post on wowhead".
But i do not think their efforts to dispute with you are wise either. Discussing anything with you is like trying to beat a wall with a head. People who try to beat walls with their heads are not wise, imo.
Oh, and i do not do TL;DRs. But i bet some smart fellow will come and cover this all up in "umadbro", or something similar.
Post by
Alixie
There is a difference between playing and winning a game, and preventing the game from even being played.
Not in this case, as you CHOSE to have the chance to be prevented from playing the game . So really, there is no difference. If there was only one type of server, PVP, I would agree with you, but too many people select the WRONG server type for their playstyle and then cry about being ganked.
Just leave if you don't like it. Those of us who are meant to be here enjoy the thrill of a fight breaking out at any moment.
In the case of all holiday achievements being in horde territory, them having the advantage to set up 50 people to gank trickles of allliance that have to spend 20 minutes to even get there. There is no "thrill of a fight breaking out at any moment". It's pure set up so that Ally can't fight back or call for reinforcements.
This isnt randomly bumping into each other in a contested zone, this is, "lets have 50 horde or more sit in front of the entrance and jump at the 1-2 Alliance that try to run by one at a time."
Its %^&*headed behavior similar to I sometimes experience in bgs where one team sits in the opposing team's graveyard for 15 minutes with the last flag, just to ambush resing people that have NO CHANCE of fighting back.
It's completely one sided and Horde players know it. Yes, deliberately preventing people from playing the game like that is sociopathic.
Im sorry but those arent stupid gnome and night elf NPCs, those are real people that have to be there by bad design. There's no thrill or fair pvp when 50 people attack one guy.
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Post by
Thror
They have as much right to say whatever they want as I do to think whatever I want.
Everyone has their own convictions, and they believe their convictions are correct; if it were otherwise, they wouldn't be convictions. Granted, some convictions are externally correct, and some are not. A lot of people react with anger to ideas that they know to be true but cannot accept emotionally. It's called cognitive dissonance.
It is unfortunate that the expressing of opinions that are unlike your own causes you such intense grief.
No.
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298296
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Post by
Moonglum1972
Hahahaha. No I didn't know about the quote button. Thanks for the info.
Post by
Bawkxy
WALL OF TEXT ATTACK!
Oh, and i do not do TL;DRs. But i bet some smart fellow will come and cover this all up in "umadbro", or something similar.
TL;DR Aestu is a stubborn and annoying person you should ignore because, as the mount guy, his views and stereotypes are always correct and he will argue Deathwing to death (Oh see the irony?) just to prove his point, which in some cases, are dead wrong.
Btw, Aestu, i'm a casual.
Post by
xaratherus
TL;DR Aestu is a stubborn and annoying person you should ignore because, as the mount guy, his views are always correct and he will argue Deathwing to death just to prove his point, which in some cases, are dead wrong.
Btw, Aestu, i'm a casual.
You were far more polite about it than I was. ;)
Post by
Zoneseek
There is a difference between playing and winning a game, and preventing the game from even being played.
Not in this case, as you CHOSE to have the chance to be prevented from playing the game . So really, there is no difference. If there was only one type of server, PVP, I would agree with you, but too many people select the WRONG server type for their playstyle and then cry about being ganked.
Just leave if you don't like it. Those of us who are meant to be here enjoy the thrill of a fight breaking out at any moment.
In the case of all holiday achievements being in horde territory, them having the advantage to set up 50 people to gank trickles of allliance that have to spend 20 minutes to even get there. There is no "thrill of a fight breaking out at any moment". It's pure set up so that Ally can't fight back or call for reinforcements.
This isnt randomly bumping into each other in a contested zone, this is, "lets have 50 horde or more sit in front of the entrance and jump at the 1-2 Alliance that try to run by one at a time."
Its %^&*headed behavior similar to I sometimes experience in bgs where one team sits in the opposing team's graveyard for 15 minutes with the last flag, just to ambush resing people that have NO CHANCE of fighting back.
It's completely one sided and Horde players know it. Yes, deliberately preventing people from playing the game like that is sociopathic.
Im sorry but those arent stupid gnome and night elf NPCs, those are real people that have to be there by bad design. There's no thrill or fair pvp when 50 people attack one guy.
You rolled on the wrong server. I would be happy to go to SM on my ally and start up some fights, it has nothing to do with who has the advantage. My friends and I sometimes will go to IF, break in the front and hold the AH area as long as we can before being overrun, which is sometimes a really long time. SM? Its a joke. No guards. Instance portals everywhere. If you get repeatedly ganked there, you fail.
Sorry, but I just don't think you rolled on the right server. Play pve if you want everything to be fair. Pvp isn't always fair. I come from the UO era where if you died, you lost every single thing on your body and were left in the middle of a field as a ghost running around trying to find someone to res you. Nothing in wow is even 1/100th that hardcore and fairness is the last thing that really matters when you don't actually LOSE anything outside of time when you die.
I stick to my stance that anyone crying about fairness in pvp should NOT roll on a pvp server, I believe the wrong server type was chosen.
Post by
Vath
LoL, sheesh. I didn't think this would start up a huge debate about PvP xD. And again, no, this wasn't about QQ. I could have sat here and nerd raged about it, but I simply said I'll miss it.
Some of you people take this way to seriously. Sociopathic? Non-empathetic? It's a video game. The person doesn't die in real life if I gank their character. World PvP happens on a PvP server. How many people have said this already. You chose a PvP server, be prepared to die often. Or don't any of you know? The object of a PvP server is to make the other faction miserable by killing them any chance you get. That doesn't pertain to everyone obviously. Many of us don't go out of our way to do that, but red = dead. Always have and always will. If someone griefs and camps you for hours, sorry about your luck, but it's your own fault as much as the other guys since no one forced you to play on PvP. I'm not saying it's right, that's just how it is PvP.
Post by
Overcome
Some of you people take this way to seriously. Sociopathic? Non-empathetic? It's a video game. The person doesn't die in real life if I gank their character. World PvP happens on a PvP server... You chose a PvP server, be prepared to die often.
Wowhead seems to be filled with amateur psychologists these days.
Hammer of GG
Haha that made my morning.
Post by
Moonglum1972
I didn't roll the wrong server. I chose my server because my son plays there and I like running with him from time to time. Also, I'm not complaining about being ganked. My complaint is that it gets old getting camped because some braindead fool does it over and over. Getting killed by another player is part of the game. The problem is when the person camps. THAT is horse crap.
So you can save the "I want a challenge" argument. It doesn't work on me. Where is the challenge for an 80 or a 70, or whatever in repeatedly killing someone 10 levels lower than you. Right, there isn't one. It is merely ego stroking for the player to do it.
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