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Religious Censoring Debate
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Post by
Honorus
Regarding god's face:
"Den Gud som ska kunna stå över människan måste vara större än allt mänskligt och därför också till stora delar vara okänd för människan. Därför kan människan inte – och får heller inte försöka - göra någon bild av Gud."
Translation: The god that shall be able to stand above man must be greater than all that is human and also be parly unknown to man. Becase of that man can not - and neither is man allowed to - draw or paint the face of god"
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393249
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Post by
Deepthought
Islam specifically has it out for the United States of America for some reason, so they do seem to receive most of our attention.There is something massively wrong with this sentence. Can you tell what it is?
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375923
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Post by
Adamsm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11383819/
try find a story about another group which killed a person over something so small
Obviously, only Islam has extremists.
Oh, hang on...
What's that, Jimmy? All groups have crazy extremists? Gee, I never knew that! Thanks for telling me!
See also: Crusades, Israel.
Islam is far from having a monopoly on the violent religious crazies. And that doesn't even touch on the plague of moral guardians who are Christian. And in the United States.
Seriously.
And did a christian extreamist group ever kill someone because of a cartoon or anything as small as that.
Yes. They also blow up things, kill people, and lots of other things. The South Park Cartoon did not, in any way shape or form, actually insult Muhammad, they were making a comment about Acceptable Targets.
Actually, it did. Maybe the speech at the end did not specifically target Muhammad, but we are talking about the IMAGE of Muhammed and the black box they used to censor him out of the entire episode.
That wasn't Stone and Parker, that was Comedy Central; they were the ones who censored the entire thing. Also, again, from the tvtropes page.....Except Muhammad. Parker and Stone went for lampooning the fact that he's not an acceptable target, instead (particularly because 5 years before Muhammad started being taboo, he had been mocked with no repercussion!). Added irony in that the airing of the second episode of their 200th anniversary (it was a two-parter) censored all mention of Muhammad's name and speeches at the end (which didn't mention Muhammad, but rather were about Acceptable Targets ). The censoring was by Comedy Central, not by the creators themselves.
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393249
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Post by
Honorus
Also - the Crusades were a really long time ago, islamic exremist threats are today.
I just think it is wrong of Comedy Central to censor Muhammed and not images offensive to other religions. Why shall they be treated differently? Because they blow things up unless they get their way? If you honestly accept that, there is somethig wrong with you.
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Post by
Deepthought
Regarding god's face:
"Den Gud som ska kunna stå över människan måste vara större än allt mänskligt och därför också till stora delar vara okänd för människan. Därför kan människan inte – och får heller inte försöka - göra någon bild av Gud."
Translation: The god that shall be able to stand above man must be greater than all that is human and also be parly unknown to man. Becase of that man can not - and neither is man allowed to - draw or paint the face of god"
Yes this is certainly a quote from the Bible that is very well known and not something you have made up. Yes.
And it certainly isn't true that god is depicted in Christian chapels or anything, no sir.
And did a christian extreamist group ever kill someone because of a cartoon or anything as small as that.Lol surprise you don't understand the concept of perspective.
I just think it is wrong of Comedy Central to censor Muhammed and not images offensive to other religionsYou have so far claimed that you don't care about the images depicting the Christian god.. Both were funny jokes, and I didn't care too much because they were JOKES Now you do? You can't have it both ways.
Because they blow things up unless they get their way? If you honestly accept that, there is somethig wrong with you.
Christians and Jews certainly don't blow anything up no sir.
Why not? He's friendly to everyone in my school cause they're not muslims.... that's what I meant anyways... he's not some redneck dumb guy that hates them for no reasonYou described him as "smart". Hating someone because of their religion isn't smart.
Not unless you are just being nit-picky about my intent and my semantics.... better?To allow the opposition to control the rhetoric is to hand them the debate.
Post by
Adamsm
That wasn't Stone and Parker, that was Comedy Central; they were the ones who censored the entire thing.
WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
Heh I don't know, we have people here in the thread who are saying that extremist will kill the creators.... rather then attack Comedy Central. There are also those who seem to be using this to make grand stupid speeches about how all Muslims want to kill Americans.. which has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I know it you know it Van and Deep knows it... but everyone else, not so much.....
Post by
Honorus
Deepthought, why won't you actually type an answer to my arguments instead of being a complete hypocrith when it comes to irrelevant details?
Post by
Deepthought
Deepthought, why won't you actually type an answer to my arguments instead of being a complete hypocrith when it comes to irrelevant details?
If you believe you have drove a point which I have not riposted, please be so kind as to direct my attention to it, or answer my riposte(s) with one of your own (you have yet to do this).
Post by
Honorus
"I just think it is wrong of Comedy Central to censor Muhammed and not images offensive to other religions. Why shall they be treated differently? Because they blow things up unless they get their way? If you honestly accept that, there is somethig wrong with you."
Basically entire page 1.
Post by
Deepthought
I just think it is wrong of Comedy Central to censor Muhammed and not images offensive to other religions.I just think it is wrong of Comedy Central to censor Muhammed and not images offensive to other religionsYou have so far claimed that you don't care about the images depicting the Christian god.. Both were funny jokes, and I didn't care too much because they were JOKES Now you do? You can't have it both ways.Why shall they be treated differently?They aren't, different things offend them.Because they blow things up unless they get their way? If you honestly accept that, there is somethig wrong with you.Because they blow things up unless they get their way? If you honestly accept that, there is somethig wrong with you.
Christians and Jews certainly don't blow anything up no sir.
Post by
Honorus
I believe your picture was taken in a war zone.
You can't compare Allied military actions to terrorism.
Post by
Deepthought
I believe your picture was taken in a war zone.
You can't compare Allied military actions to terrorism.
Attacking civilians is terrorism. "Shock and Awe" tactics are literally terrorism by another name.
Care to attempt to argue any more of my points, at all?
Post by
393249
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Post by
Deepthought
I believe your picture was taken in a war zone.
You can't compare Allied military actions to terrorism.
INTENTIONALLY
Attacking civilians is terrorism. "Shock and Awe" tactics are literally terrorism by another name.
Care to attempt to argue any more of my points, at all?
And that image gives absolutely NO indication where the attack is coming from, much less that it is from "Christians and Jews"
"
Isreal admits white phosphorus use
".
Also, "Intentionally"? Incase you can't tell, THAT'S A SCHOOL
Palestinian officials say 1,417 Palestinians were killed, including 926 civilians.
Do you want me to link some other examples of westeners intentionally targetting civilians? Because I could, so easily.
Post by
Honorus
I believe your picture was taken in a war zone.
You can't compare Allied military actions to terrorism.
Attacking civilians is terrorism. "Shock and Awe" tactics are literally terrorism by another name.
Care to attempt to argue any more of my points, at all?
Mate, look "terrorism" up in a dictionary.
Say your definition is correct, that means about every nation in the world, including your US, are terrorists.
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