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Sylvanas' Fatal Mistake
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Post by
GVHB
Maybe he was betrayed by the Stromgardians in some way and that is why he got killed. Before dieing he swore revenge on his ex-compatriots and the resurrection as a Forsaken could be the way to get his revenge.
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GVHB
You mean like... they had totally forgotten about their life before being reanimated as undead?
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GVHB
Or perhaps she is re-rising her own Forsaken.
That wouldn't be the case for Galen, and I don't think he will be the only new Forsaken rised from the corpses of their enemies.
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Post by
Adamsm
That wouldn't be the case for Galen, and I don't think he will be the only new Forsaken rised from the corpses of their enemies.
Heh, why not? That's what the Scourge did after all.
Post by
Rankkor
here's my take on Galen's situation.
The reason why he now works for the same enemies who killed him and raised him as a monster is very simple.
He cannot go back to his former life, think about it, if he somehow by sheer miracle manages to escape the forsaken, and travels to his compatriots, do you HONESTLY think they will take him back? all they will see is a rotting corpse, a freak, a monster, he will suffer the exact same trauma that every other lordaeronian citizen went when they rose as forsakens.
my bet is that he actually manages to escape the forsaken, tries to rejoin his people, and they reject him for being a monster, so now he is doing simply what must be done to remain alive (so to speak).
it's part of the human nature that Stubborness to survive, to keep on existing no matter how dire the situation.
This draws a parallel to the people of the concentration camps in World War 2 during the Death marches. They were starved, beated, forced to walk for days at a time with no food, or water, or shelter or rest, those who could keep up continued to live, those who could not were shot to prevent them from slowing down the rest.
while the rest knew that as long as they walked a life of misery and pain awaited them, and almost zero chances of survival remained, they still refused to die, refused to give up, and continued walking even when doing so would doom them to more pain and more suffering, but it's just part of human nature, that subconsious desire to continue existing.
This is what Galen is going trough, he just lost his former life, he's a monster now, one of the damned, he tried to go back to his people only to see them betray him and try to kill him, he knows now that in order to continue his existance he must side with those who will not harm him, and those are the forsakens.
Of course I have a small and almost ridicolus theory that Galen will be the next leader of the forsaken.
Think about it, they are staging up sylvannas as a REALLY demented crazy woman, hated by just about every member of the horde leadership, she refused to obey the law of the warchief by deploying blight on gilneas, she then used Scourge Val'kyrs to force undead into her fallen foes. and she continues being the arrogant B%/CH she is today.
seems to me like they are staging up a coup against her, a sucessfull one this time, like the new forsakens hating her for what she did to them, and leading a coup to remove her from the throne.
however unlike the former coup, these people would still be loyal to the horde, and since garrosh probably plans to get rid of her anyways he ends up accepting the new rulers of the forsakens.
it's just a silly theory and I have no way to back that up, but it's what I think it will happen.
Post by
Vaeku
You know what's weird?
This new information has made me like Sylvanas even
more
. And what's weirder is that I like her/the Forsaken AND Velen/the Draenei.
Guess I just like the polar opposites heh.
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Post by
Monday
Probably not, they can't lie to everyone.
Yes. but an important and powerful individual like him they would lie to.
Post by
Rankkor
Because clearly this has got to be the Alliance's fault some how?
and where did I said that it was the alliance fault? i think u just LOVE to put words in my mouth, please don't do that darkton.
There is no evidence that Galen ever met anyone from Stromgarde as an Undead, if there is, please feel free to prove it.
at this point, NOTHING can be proven, this is still an early beta, we need more dataz to prove something, as delt said, we're just tossing ideas here to try to explain why the hell is galen working for his enemy now.
they killed him, ressed him as a monster, and now he works for them? WTF?
forsakens DO NOT mind-controll, they hate the idea of not having controll of their bodies (As that is what it was like when they were scourge).
here , I said this at my post, wich you conviniently ignored.
it's just a silly theory and I have no way to back that up, but it's what I think it will happen.
and now let's continue.
To Galen, he was fighting tooth and nail restlessly to regain his home, only for the Horde to come and murder him and his countrymen. And they did not stop there, but they also broke into his father's grave, and stole a heirloom that has been handed down in his family for millenia.
and I never said otherwise, this part u said is all true, he was fighting to regain his home, and failed at it too, he died, and his family heirloom was stolen.
before we continue about the whole galen thingie, the horde had plenty of good reasons to steal troll'khalar, that is a weapon of mass destruction for the trolls, and no troll would rest easy knowing such a weapon is under the enemy controll.
if an orc warrior had a sword with a magical enchantment to kill every human within 50 yards instantaneously, and this warrior died, and this sword is buried with him, would YOU leave that sword in peace? or would you do the smart thing and steal this sword so that no orc gets the funny idea of taking it and use it against man-kind?
this is the base for the trolls wanting to steal troll'khalar, it's too dangerous to leave a weapon so powerfull in the hands of a family that is renowed for killing trolls.
now let's get back to galen.
How can you say "Those who will not harm him"? These are the same people who have been waging a war in Arathi in order to see him and his country destroyed.
I said "those who will not harm him" because that is what the forsaken are.
they would (and did) harmed galen while he was still alive, but now that galen is undead, the only people who will not try to kill him is the forsaken, after all they rezzed him to give him a job not to kill him again.
if galen tries to go back to his people he's as good as dead and he knows this, so he's simply doing what must be done to remain alive.
if he tries to get back to his people he's as good as dead, and if he acts hostile to the forsaken they too will try to kill him, to remain alive he must make friends, and so far the only ones extending a hand are the forsaken, as long as he's not hostile to them, they aren't hostile to him, so he is taking the only option he has avaliable (even if he doesn't like it) wich is to work with the forsaken, as these are the ones who brought him back, they will not harm Galen unless Galen is unwilling to cooperate. It aint pretty, but those are his only options and he's taking the one option that will secure his safety. Call it "Human Nature"
i even quoted a real life example of people who chose to live a life of suffering rather than let themselves be killed (the people of the Death Marches in the ending days of WW2), it's human nature to wish to stay existing darkton.
in my theory there are 2 scenarios.
A: he escaped the forsakens when he was rezzed, tried to go back to his people, they tried to kill him because for them he is just a monster now, for them Galen is dead, and nothing will change that. Realizing that he cannot go back to his people ,and that the rest of the alliance will kill him on sight, he returned to the forsakens, as they being now his kin will not harm him.
B: he never tried to escape, but figured out by himself what would happen if he did, after all it only takes a mirror to see what he has become and he knows what will happen if the alliance or his people find him, so he simply is doing what must be done to keep on living.
I doubt the Forsaken would let him leave after they bring him back.
that's true, they would not "let him" leave, but if he leaves undetected, tries to get back to his family, and they reject him and he came back, they would welcome him back.
After all this is not the first, nor last time it has happened, just about every forsaken at first is on denial, they say stuff like "NO I'm not a monster, I'll be back with my people I belong with them, not with these freaks" then they try to go back, only to have their loved ones try to kill them with torches and pitchforks, so then they have to flee from their loved ones, and go where? to the only place they know will give them shelter, in other words a comunity of people equally damned as he or she.
it's not the first time, nor the last this has happened darkton, and it's very plausible that this happened to galen, because, HOW ELSE can someone explain him workign with his former enemies?
I think he is being lied to about the circumstances of his death by the Forsaken or something like that.
=/ and that's the best you can think of? every forsaken remembers how he/she died, they don't have magic-induced anmesia, the DK's had it because they were mind-controlled by the lich king, but as stated above, forsakens do not use mind-controll on their own, so every forsaken remembers clearly how they died, and chances are Galen knows exactly who killed him, and who ressed him and why.
Yes and the entire Ebon Blade did that.
you can't seriously compare the situation of the ebon knights with that of the forsaken, first of all, the ebon knights are dead but well preserved in undeath, so they aren't as spooky, and secondly, they were vouched by Tirion, and endorsed by Varian (even if the latter did so reluctantly)
Galen was killed in the quest for troll'khalar, and this was in vainilla wow, AKA 4 years ago, his corpse is a frikking rotten mess by now, he has been rezzed but he's not well preserved and semi-pretty as the DK's he's a rotten freak, nobody in his family would honestly give him a hug, or a kiss.
there's no way in hell his people would recognize his authority anymore, they would see him as yet another forsaken, because they already lost their galen, and buried him.
Post by
Interest
Well, if they died a long time ago they would be indifferent and possibly loyal to the being who gave them the opportunity of living again, Sylvanas?
It was the best theory I could come up with =D.
Or perhaps she is re-rising her own Forsaken.
For some reason I doubt this. There has to be some point where you just can't raise a corpse because of soul straining or something...
Although then again...hmm
Post by
Adamsm
Well, if they died a long time ago they would be indifferent and possibly loyal to the being who gave them the opportunity of living again, Sylvanas?
It was the best theory I could come up with =D.
Or perhaps she is re-rising her own Forsaken.
For some reason I doubt this. There has to be some point where you just can't raise a corpse because of soul straining or something...
Although then again...hmm
They did with death knights technically heh.
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Post by
Rankkor
the way I see it, as long as there is a body to reanimate, a person in undeath can be revived as many times as they want to.
only true way to kill off permanently an undead is to dismember and/or disentegrate the body completely.
after all, we do fight the Black Knight in human form, then zombie form, then skeleton form, then ghost.
so.........
also Delt that is a very intresting theory you raised.
It could be that Forsaken don't really "need" to repopulate by reanimating the corpses of their enemies, they could simply reanimate the corpses of their own fallen troops.
after all the main risk of reanimating a former enemy, is that cooperation isn't allways guaranteed, and I'm fairly sure that many of these "new forsakens" will rebel against sylvannas, I know I would if it happened to me.
however reanimating your own troops after they've fallen isn't so dangerous, since they were already loyal, and reanimating them would only further increase their loyalty to the cause.
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Post by
Rankkor
that's what I said sigmafel, "as long as there is a corpse to reanimate" there is nothing to prevent multiple resurections.
of course as the body takes damage, this damage will not regen, the body will simply be reanimated, in a more "banged up" condition, eventually it will get to the point where the body is so messed up it's imposible to continue reanimating the subject (wich is what happens to the black knight, he gets reanimated over and over and over untill his body is consumed due to the massive damage taken)
Post by
Skreeran
that's what I said sigmafel, "as long as there is a corpse to reanimate" there is nothing to prevent multiple resurections.
of course as the body takes damage, this damage will not regen, the body will simply be reanimated, in a more "banged up" condition, eventually it will get to the point where the body is so messed up it's imposible to continue reanimating the subject (wich is what happens to the black knight, he gets reanimated over and over and over untill his body is consumed due to the massive damage taken)Think of it this way:
After a certain period of time (say, a hundred years, or two hundred, or so on), the body of the Forsaken will simply stop working.
That's what happens in most zombie fiction: if no one is there to kill the zombies, eventually, their bodies will just tear themselves apart.
Think about it: bones grinding against bones, bacterial decay, muscle stress, erosion...
The human body constantly rebuilds itself to get past this. However, Forsaken bodies do not.
Eventually, even if the Forsaken were to never fight or go into any dangerous situations, their bodies would eventually just whither away into nothing.
Necromancers can theoretically bypass this by grafting new tissue onto them (repairs, essentially), but even that delays the problem.
For every Forsaken that their enemy completely destroys, a terrible blow would be dealt to the race, since there would naturally be a finite number of Forsaken that will never increase, and can only go down.
So, their solution is to find a way to make more Forsaken.
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