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Muradin's Spyglass trinket as a healer?
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Post by
Panik8
Ok, yesterday, I was the only caster-class in our raid that didn't already have
Muradin's Spyglass
, so it was given to me by default, despite the 0% probability I ever go Shadow. Before I vendored it, I thought about something... Being Discipline, I generally crave Crit Rating and when fully stacked, the activated effect translates into 180 SP, which is more than the
Sliver of Pure Ice
I am using (never got my hands on the Solace, somehow, despite seeing it drop 6 times..., using PLD as my other Trinket...), so, am I completely retarded to consider giving a "DPS" trinket a try in our next raid?
The way I see it, it's very easy for me to keep SW:P and/or DP up on a single target to keep the 180 SP buff up at all times, and ~3% crit would probably be more useful to me than Sliver's activated ability, which is sorta nice, but far from necessary.
Has any other healing Priest given some thoughts into this?
Anyhow, I'll give it a try tonight and keep you guys posted, but basically, what I'm asking is:
In your opinion, is 22 (potential) SP and 2.85% Crit worth the "waste" of one or two GCDs every ~18-24 seconds (and the loss of Sliver's activated ability, which roughly translates into 75mp5, which I don't really need anyways)?
Edit: I'm still waiting/hoping for
Althor's Abacus
...
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Post by
Rouen
I'm not 80 yet on the priest, but there's some merit to this.
Shadow Word: Pain lasts for 18 seconds, with the final tick occuring at the 18 second mark. The trinket proc lasts for 10 seconds. I don't see a reason why you couldn't throw it up roughly twice a minute for the 180 SP. As long as mana isn't an issue for you, give it a try. If your worried about low SP (doesn't sound like it), then get Purified Lunar Dust since it gives 179 SP now + 912 mana every minute.
Post by
OscarDivine
YES, it does continue to stack per tick of damage.
I still think that this trinket is NOT one that you will want to use as disco though because it will be difficult to continue to keep it up (in later-game raiding) throughout a boss fight. Those GCD's are precious man and I don't think that the SW:P is an efficient use of them.
If you're doing heroics, then fine, I guess.
Post by
Reeslaindym
Everyone's talking as if dots are the only thing that can stack it...COME ON!
Hello! Holy Nova. Oh that's right, it can count as SPELL DAMAGE too
Think about it. There are so many viable fights using Holy Nova to heal and damage, ICC, ToC, hell, all raids and dungeons
And please don't forget Shadow Word:Death
It's totally viable for a Disco and why not have a Holy try it out too
I'm using it as a pvp trinket as Disco. AMAZING!
When I raid I use Lunar and Muradin together...CAN WE SAY OP!
Thinking outside of the square my friends
Post by
OscarDivine
Yeah out of the box is out of the question in this case. Reason we're talking about DoTs is because you can "set it and forget it". Not so easy with the other spells mentioned.
Post by
Reeslaindym
Dots is not something you set and forget
I apply dots for the ticks to stack. But Holy Nova is the EASIEST way to ensure constant stack uptime
You don't have to go and target a mob to dot them up taking your focus off your tank/party. Keep your focus on your heal target, run near a mob, HN to damage and heal, stack uptime upheld, your still on your heal target ready to do whatever. Throw out the odd dot here and there
This is the easiest way I have been able to keep stack uptime while still focusing on my heal target(s). WIN
Post by
OscarDivine
I won't change my healing tactics for a trinket. Oh, and good luck running up to a boss, hitting your holy nova several times and running back.
Again, if you're in a heroic, big deal. Go up to them and do whatever the hell you want. If you're in a raid boss fight, I would rather DoT. REGARDLESS, I'm not a fan of the trinket for healing period. Just my opinion.
Post by
CaoimheX
Holy Nova? Miss, miss, miss, unless you've got some +hit on your healing gear. ;) Cast SW:P on boss? Miss! Cast again, hit! but more mana, and GCDs used when healing should've been done?
No thanks. I'd rather focus on healing than being distracted by a trinket.
Post by
cohut
I got this the other day for my shadow spec aswell. Actually sometimes i do switch it out for sliver, but only on farmbosses(presuming im already not asked to go shadow on them , which i usualy am tbh) I'd never dream about doing it on a boss not on farm however.(damn LK! die already, you haz my staff!)
Usualy running with abascus + sliver / talisman (also didnt get solace.. yet). Still trying to farm broodmother to switch out with sliver though.
*edit* well after checking dots do refresh and add stacks according to comments on this trinket, I would still say keep the sliver because in a raid you may not have the chance to cast a spell on the boss while healing, and there's also a 17%(14% with misery or imp faerie fire) that your spell will miss and you'll have to spend more mana to keep the stacks up.
Angelofpain clearly states why you shouldnt use it on progressbosses here. not really about the mana, mostly about the fact that I dont trust that i can keep it up all the time, if i loose the whole stack it takes a bit of time to stack up those 10 stacks again. Incase #$%^t happens and somebody takes alot of damage or something else which causes me to not be able to keep the buff up.
Post by
Panik8
Great replies, I haven't got to try it yesterday, for the exact reason Angel and OD mentionned, I simply didn't feel comfortable trying/testing something that would affect the playing style I'm currently comfortable with, especially while running a 25m progression raid (I forgot to use it in the first wing, to be honest and our 25m haven't exactly got post-1st-wing on farm mode yet...).
However, as far as stacking procs with Holy Nova is concerned, if I Nova a pack of 10 mobs, will I automatically get 10 stacks of this (assuming I hit 10 times, obv.)? I don't really understand what Reeslain meant by... Think about it. There are so many viable fights using Holy Nova to heal and damage, ICC, ToC, hell, all raids and dungeons
...Holy Nova isn't exactly a spell I use much when healing ICC or TotGC, a lot of fights include a lot of moving around and/or a lot of spreading out, what fights exactly do you consider as appropriate to be using Holy Nova on?
I'll just wait for the Abacus or Solace to drop for me, although I'll still try and give this trinket a shot or at least keep it in my bank, just for fun.
Post by
ande9249
nova is instant, thus can be used while moving....if you position yourself next to the tanks, (instead of with the ranged) you can then have the effects that he described....... otherwise yes, if three mobs, it would take 4 Holy novas to get 10 stacks..... but seriously, a mage blizzard is SUCH a better application of that proc abuse....
Post by
dhampir1989
if you position yourself next to the tanks, (instead of with the ranged) you can then have the effects that he described......
And all the cleaves too!
In the situations where you need the spyglass, i.e. Boss fights, there arent multiple targets to build the proc on quickly, nor can you afford the luxury of wasting a GCD every 10 seconds for perpetuating the buff.
Whereas a DoT takes 1 GCD every half minute to perpetuate it, and can be refreshed WHEN YOU HAVE TIME, whereas HN would need to be cast to perpetuate the buff duration, not the DoT duration.
HN works great for Trash, but then, so does facerolling.
Post by
OscarDivine
Everyone's talking as if dots are the only thing that can stack it...COME ON!
Hello! Holy Nova. Oh that's right, it can count as SPELL DAMAGE too
Think about it. There are so many viable fights using Holy Nova to heal and damage, ICC, ToC, hell, all raids and dungeons
And please don't forget Shadow Word:Death
It's totally viable for a Disco and why not have a Holy try it out too
I'm using it as a pvp trinket as Disco. AMAZING!
When I raid I use Lunar and Muradin together...CAN WE SAY OP!
Thinking outside of the square my friends
Now, read this again, but in the voice of a flaming homosexual with a serious lisp...
Post by
Nazeka
Now, read this again, but in the voice of a flaming homosexual with a serious lisp...
As a bisexual, I find this comment incredibly funny.
Post by
Hashshashins
And please don't forget Shadow Word:Death
Even if you don't have this trinket or a similar one this is a nice tip. Provided I'm not bubbled at the time I often use SW:D to get PoM bouncing if it lands on me, particularly handy if it's still on CD and though it isn't a large amount of damage every little helps after all! Not that I'm suggesting that you should go stand in the crap on the ground every time you get PoM or anything, its a nice strat, esp for heroics but works in raids too I find.
On-topic: If you think you can manage your DoTs sucessfully and keep your primary targets alive without needing the mana from other trinkets then by all means go for it. Working out different combos and thinking outside the box is part of the fun (imho) of this game. After all:
Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world.
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