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SirPunky
I think you're missing the entire point.
Blizzard can ban you for any reason and even for no reason.
Blizzard can ban you for any reason and even for no reason.
Blizzard banned Ensidia for faceroll.
So what?
Did this action affected your life?
Post by
justinc
Ensidia has a bad rep amongst the player base, and, as far as I know (rumour and scuttlebutt from WoW Official Forums for years), are very close friends with some of the employees who work in the European offices.
Ensidia is the #1 guild for a reason. If there was any truth to the "BUG ABUSE#!@@#!" complaints then Blizzard would have taken action long ago. There is a very fine line between "bug abuse" and "clever use of game mechanics." IF Ensidia has ever "cleverly used game mechanics" to get a world first then they didn't do anything that another guild couldn't have done/used. Ensidia is a good, professional guild and they're smart enough to know that if they cheat during an encounter that they will have action taken against them by Blizzard which is not something that I think they would risk. No, I'm not a fanboy. I only know of one Ensidia member (Kungen) and I truly couldn't care less about the guild or what they do. My feeling on the whole thing is that Blizzard is upset because 10m AND 25m LK were down'd within what, 24, 36 hours? The Lich King... one of the biggest figures in Warcraft... face rolled by two separate guilds within a day of release.
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rainkeltoia
Personally, I doubt that their rogues throwing their bombs at the exact spots to rebuild the platforms was an accident. Especially since THERE'S NOTHING TO THROW AT in that point in the encounter. Honestly they should have known better, reported the bug and done it properly. Yes they use said bombs in their rotation, great, but using in rotation doesn't include intentionally exploiting a bug. You agree with every patch, and as it says every time you log into the game, that you will abide by the rules set down in the EULA and other terms and conditions. If said persons decide to forgo those rules, then they need to accept their punishment and move on. Its not a lifetime ban, and such actions as Muqq's blog are immature and also very telling. Yes he ripped off another person's QQ post, grats to him. However were he truly feeling that he was banned wrongly, instead of crying about it to the general gaming public he and his guild could petition Blizzard and bring THEIR evidence. Blizzard has access to anything you say ingame, be it a whisper, /g, or in the mail. And everything you do. Its part of the monitoring process for many things. Ensidia isn't stupid, but they sure are acting like it thanks to Muqq. The rest of the guild needs to consider if they want their reputation and their future gaming image to be tainted by Muqq's childish rantings.
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justinc
I think you're missing the entire point.
Blizzard can ban you for any reason and even for no reason.
Blizzard can ban you for any reason and even for no reason.
Blizzard banned Ensidia for faceroll.
So what?
Did this action affected your life?
And no one (other than Ensidia) is complaining about that. If anything, people are simply pointing out how petty Blizzard is acting. Lich King was face rolled on both difficulties and now Blizzard is pouting. Obviously English is not your first language (at least I hope it isn't) so perhaps you are having a hard time understanding what I (and others) am saying. I.Do.Not.Care.Who.Gets.Banned.Nor.Do.I.Care.About.Ensidia.Or.Their.Rank/world firsts. Understand what I am saying before you respond to my posts, please.
So no, this action did not "affected" my life.
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justinc
Topic on the WoW forums was deleted and locked (HMMM?). Now, on the Mim thing I find it difficult to believe that both paladins were able to properly time their casts so that both judgments hit the hunter or whoever at the same time. I find that difficult to believe based purely off of human reaction time. My opinion does not factor in latency etc :).
Edit- someone on MMO forums said the same thing about the Mim fight.
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SirPunky
I.Do.Not.Care.Who.Gets.Banned.Nor.Do.I.Care.About.Ensidia.Or.Their.Rank/world firsts. Understand what I am saying before you respond to my posts, please.
I understand fine what you are saying.
You miss the part that no one give a @%$# about Ensidia being banned.
Ensidia banned.
So what?
P.S> Yes, English is not my first language. Sorry for misspelling.
P.S.2> BTW
Lich King US First 10-Man Kill, Icecrown Citadel Weeklies « on: February 03, 2010, 01:56:40 pm »
. They didn't get banned. Wonder why. 10 =/= 25 I know that, but still...
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skribs
Don't say nobody cares unless you've interviewed everyone. I care that they got banned, because of the precedent it shows. If they suspended Ensidia, they could ban me because I stuck with my tank on HoR when he tanked it in the back. I also don't think that Muqq's post shows they were exploiting - if he is correct (which I will give him the benefit of the doubt) - then he has every reason to be upset.
The two links about Ensidia's "abuse" from what I can tell aren't abuse of exploits. I don't believe that 2 Paladins could perfectly time their judgments on Mimi. I didn't watch the video, but I know there are countless reasons why it could have happened beyond knowingly exploiting the fight.
I didn't actually see what happened on the Hodir exploit.
However, the problem lies in the fine line between "clever use of game mechanics" vs. "exploit." For example, warlocks abusing trinkets to get uber crit chance on Corruption (which results in 30% more DPS from the spell as per EJ's thread on it) is considered clever use of game mechanics.
Here's my question - is it siege damage on the space of the dead platform, or siege damage in general that caused the platforms to reform? Because if it's just in general, then placement didn't matter and this seems to be an unknown issue. If it was in a specific spot, it was intentional. However, with limitted attempts
on an encounter nobody has yet seen
it is very difficult for me to assume they found the bug intentionally and decided to exploit it.
People aren't getting mad at Blizzard for making a buggy encounter. People are mad at Blizzard for when that encounter is bugged, and as a result is made easier, the guild to do so gets suspended. While Blizzard doesn't owe us an explanation of their evidence, a LOT of players would like to see it as Ensidia is definitely among the top known guilds (the other being Elitist Jerks) and this is basically celebrity drama for us. Not only are we curious - we want to know how we can avoid a similar ban should something happen to us.
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Hydralisk
This sucks for Enisida, they shouldn't be banned for something like this, because Bliz fails at checking the fights they get banned.. kinda sounds like BS to me..
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mmo-champion.com
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Hey guys, MMO Champion is having MAJOR lag (not sure why), so this will be my last post here. My future comments on this situation, if I have any, will be on my website and forums:
http://www.uprisingap.com/
http://forums.uprisingap.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1817
But basically I'll post my current conclusion from our forums:
No other guild has experienced the Respawning Outer Platform Bug because they tank Lich King and the adds in the center of the room. They tank them there because everyone needs to be near the center to avoid being killed by valkyrs. If you put a Saronite Bomb on where the Outer Platform used to be, it will cause the Outer Platform to respawn. Ensidia somehow figured this out.
In their kill log, every single one of the rogue's Saronite Bombs causes damage to enemies. This means that the Lich King, the adds, or both were tanked at the very edge of the platform, so that the Saronite Bombs would be able to hit the empty space where the Outer Platform used to be, and respawn the Outer Platform. In an ordinary situation, if you have DPS standing at the edge during this phase, they can get picked up by a valkyr and instantly killed. But in Ensidia's situation, they knew that the Outer Platform would respawn because of the bombs. Therefore, the valkyr would pick someone up, walk 2 yards forward, and then simply let them go. The person would fall on the respawned Outer Platform, and they could continue to DPS the Lich King and the adds.
Being on the outside of the platform throughout this entire phase also allowed Defile to spawn on the outside of the platform, which meant that half of their Defiles spawned beyond the platform's edge.
I am waiting on Kungen to show me Damage to Val'kyr Shadowguard. If he shows me that the raid, on their kill, did significant damage to Val'kyr Shadowguard, then this is still up for debate. If he can't show me this, then that proves that they intentionally skipped over an entire aspect of the fight, and simplified Defile.
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skribs
While PKainus' link from Bergg may or may not be true, it is possible that due to placement, the bug occured. Ensidia would have had the tools to figure out what caused the bug after reseraching the issue, but I honestly wouldn't have thought it was the bomb unless 1) I was the rogue and 2) I had the concept in mind that siege damage was causing the regrowth of the platforms. At that, how do I even know the platform wasn't supposed to regrow at a certain point? The encounter was untested on the PTR, therefore I believe they would have had no way to know of the bug ahead of time. I'm not saying I know what's going through their mind, and I'm not a fanboy by any means - but I do find it hard to believe that they were knowledgable of this bug. I also agree Blizzard should have done some testing on this - keeping it a surprise is nice, but a game needs testing and with the way fights are now anyway (you need to know the fight BEFORE you encounter it due to specific events), I dont see any reason for it to NOT be in the PTR.
If they did know ahead of time, its a deserved ban. But if its just a bug that they rolled with (See also: Warlock Crit-Rolling Corruptions, Prince Malchazzar; other situations of exploited bugs that are considered clever use of mechanics) it is entirely Blizzard's fault and undeserving of a ban.
I know back when I played Americas Army, there was an exploit on one map which made you invisible in a specific location. This location I used a lot before I discovered the exploit, because I had no way of knowing that it made me invisible (in a 1st person shooter, you can't tell), so I am very empathetic of Ensidia in this case.
Post by
Deepthought
It's not Blizzards fault if the "number one guild" with a shady history (see: C'thun pet bug etc) decides to complete an obviously bugged encounter by abusing said bug.
Why the bug was there does not matter, Ensida completed the boss fight knowing it was there, knowing it made the fight massivly easier and decide to cry when they get banned.
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