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Post by
montezuma7
I see a lot of advice saying get haste for affliction and crit for destro, but I don't really understand this. To me it almost seems like it should be flipped, since affliction is mainly dot dmg and kiting while destro has to stand still to do dmg. Yes destro wants lots of crit, but as a destruction lock you need to cram as much dmg into a small window of burst as possible and haste allows you to do that as well. I guess I see them as about equal, but I would prefer haste since it's less random than crit.
For affliction, dots don't benefit from haste (not glyphing quick decay for pvp) but they do from crit. I guess I can understand want to drain life quicker/faster fears but generally is seems as affliction that I am dotting and running and I love when my dots crit. It doesn't really matter to me if shadowbolt is 3 second cast or 2.5- I'm probably only getting one off at a time anyway and am depending more on dots to do the dmg.
So is haste really that much better for affliction or is it just preference and playstyle?
Post by
Bladestriker
(not glyphing quick decay for pvp)
No, it's this.
Post by
montezuma7
(not glyphing quick decay for pvp)
No, it's this.
So you would use quick decay, soul link and siphon life/shadowflame? Even then quick decay only effects one dot, crit helps two.
Post by
Bladestriker
I wouldn't use Siphon Life glyph. I'd use a combination of Soul Link, Quick Decay, Shadowflame, Corruption, Howl of Terror, and UA. If Corruption, your most powerful DoT, is ticking faster, it increases pressure on the enemy healers, it also increases the number of potential Nightfall/Glyph of Corruption procs, for more burst/pressure. You also don't have several talents which boost crit % like Destro, so people with 1000+ resil all but nullify crit chance unless you completely gear for that, where you lose faster fears, faster UA/Haunt, so you can stay on the move more. You're trying to wear them down. If you want to play super bursty, go Destro where you need those quick crit chains.
Edit: I should add that GoQD also speeds up healing from Siphon Life, since corruption is doing damage faster. Basically, it's damage and healing instead of just healing when comparing Glyph of Siphon Life vs Glyph of Quick Decay.
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444808
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Post by
Onijitsu
I'm not sure how much you could call a slightly sped-up ticking of Corruption to be "burst", but it at least might give you slightly more Shadow Bolts if you had Nightfall, right? (I personally just didn't see enough of a damage gain with Quick Decay to really make a difference for myself... I plan to reattempt it when I can gear for more haste)
I think the OP's main question was, why should he focus so much attention on Corruption? And the answer is that it's his #1 spell to put on everything which moves.
I found Shadowflame (with the 70% slow glyph) to be useful for hitting a bunch of nearby enemies -- especially, when a DK yanked me over in front of them -- then running through them to their rear, and trying to escape however I could. (While the DK's harpoon was on cooldown) Might be even more useful when I get 'round to making myself a new pair of rocket boots.
If you're specced Destro for PvP, you might get just as much (or more) mileage out of Shadowfury.
Post by
Papercolor
IMO, shadowflame is essential. Most people who dont use it cant use it. Its a quick cool down and a massive slow. You can be CoE the healer / ranged while shadowflaming the mele or whatever. Practice makes perfect.
On the main note I love haste as affliction / destro. Its a no brainer for affliction...Corruption / Haunt / UA are you main spells period. Haunt and UA have cast times....
I've always felt desto isint about getting thoes lucky crits...I feel its about control. With shadowfury and chaos bolt (going though resists n such) you can really really control someone. Also after a conflag a few super quick searing pains will take the kill.
Post by
montezuma7
Mostly what blade has said. I personally go with QD, Corr and HoT glyphs and I think most top pvpers switched to QD when it came out for increased burst.
Side note, I dropped shadowflame because I think the spell itself is a little clunky (though I didn't give it much of a chance). You have to be completely facing your opponent and fairly close to them in order to apply it. I guess this helps if you are peeling for someone else running away, but I couldn't kite with it. Much easier to just CoEx people.
Back to original question though, resilience of 1415 (?) will reduce the chance to be crit by 33% (cap), so against top opponents anything less than 33% won't do anything.
That's not correct, 1415 should be around a 17% crit rate reduction, and crit dmg reduction is capped at 25%. I think you are thinking of total dmg from other players, which is double the crit rate, which would be about 33%. I think an affliction lock in full crit gear will be around 21%, plus 9% more on UA and Corruption from talents, which is still 13% or so above the cap which is decent, but I'm starting to see the point of haste being more valuable.
As far as glyphs, I love shadowflame, just cus coex is so much weaker than every other class's snare. It keeps enemies at a distance but once they blow their gap closer you can't regain distance very well with just coex. Use shadowflame and demonic circle and you're back in business.
I'm guessing that the corruption glyph stacks with nightfall since so many people are advocating it. I could see that being pretty useful. Right now I'm running quick decay, shadowflame and howl of terror.
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444808
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Post by
Gnostik
Aside from Glyph of Quick Decay, haste allows you to get UA and Haunt off more reliably without being counterspelled.
This
is currently the top Warlock listed on
www.arenajunkies.com
. When browsing some of the top players (which I highly recommend) I was surprised to find none use Glyph of Soul Link. But as I thought about it, it began to make sense. Obviously with a dedicated healer it's not needed as much. But maybe more important is that it makes your pet die faster. A dead pet usually means a dead Warlock in the arena.
Basically all the top players use Glyph of Quick Decay and Glyph of Shadowflame, with the 3rd being a tossup. I never see survivability glyphs like Soul Link or Siphon Life. But a solo BG setup is going to look different; these profiles are obviously centered around arenas.
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